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Dave
Official NFT Ambassador Calls Neopians "Worse Than COVID"
  • Posted by Dave
  • Posted on July 16, 2022, 9:25 am NST

Earlier this week, the Neopets Metaverse project welcomed four official ambassadors who will work on behalf of the Neopets brand and NetDragon to promote the upcoming NFT game.

One of the new ambassadors, Code Cowboy, joined the /r/neopets Discord server and began posting in the NFT channel, engaging with and proselytizing to fellow Neopians there.

Ultimately, Code Cowboy was banned after making the following comment that Neopians were worse than COVID, a disease that has killed 6.3 million people worldwide:


In general, Code Cowboy spent his time in the /r/Neopets Discord trolling other Neopians and not exactly trying to make good faith outreach on behalf of the project:


Is this the type of "welcoming" ambassador you want working for you, Neopets? We're calling for the immediate firing and disassociation of Code Cowboy. His comments are reprehensible, and he's doing a disservice to the Neopets brand by showing up in a community space and bullying existing fans. He should not be given any official privilege to represent Neopets.

This is yet another incident in a long history of the Neopets NFT project being antagonistic to Neopets.com. The project continues to suck time and resources away from Neopets.com (official TNT employees who work on Neopets.com recently took time out of their work schedule to represent the Neopets Metaverse at an NFT conference). If you'd like to catch up on all the shenanigans and the project's warts, check out our NFT mini-site:


What do you think, fellow Neopians? Are you worse than COVID?



UPDATE: The following comment was posted by Neopets Metaverse staff member Altador:

Hey all, this is Dominic from Neopets Metaverse. I see there’s been some heated debate in this channel from one of our ambassadors. We built out the ambassador program as an opportunity for our community to participate in growing our vision. We see that we’ve fallen short and I assure you we are taking the necessary steps to ensure our ambassador communication falls in line with our broader vision.
I am sorry for any trouble or inconvenience caused. If there are any other concerns, please feel free to reach us at contactus@neopetsmeta.io

We are still awaiting to hear about the future of Code Cowboy’s future as a Neopets representative.



UPDATE, 10:00 PM NST: An "announcement to the Neopets community" has been posted by the Metaverse team.

The announcement lacks any sort of public apology to Neopians by any party, however, it confirms that Code Cowboy has been removed from the ambassador team and is no longer affiliated with the project. Going forward, ambassadors will now be required to "fall in line."

The full post:

Dear fellow Neopians,

We have recently been made aware of comments by one of our ambassadors. We have reviewed these comments and decided to address this below.

At Neopets Metaverse, we firmly believe in building peacefully toward Web3. We recently launched the ambassador program to align with this vision. (See our original ambassador program post here). It is important to note that Ambassadors are NOT employees or official representatives of Neopets Metaverse. It is an initiative to recognize active community members who wish to contribute to the broader Neopets Metaverse community.

In reviewing the recent activity, we assure you that we’ve taken the necessary steps to ensure all our ambassadors will fall in line with the broader vision with clearer guidelines for our ambassador roles moving forward.

In terms of the comments made by a particular ambassador, they have privately expressed their apologies to the Neopets Metaverse Team and the broader Neopets community, and have decided to step down.

We encourage everyone in the community to be inclusive and respectful towards each other as we condemn behaviors that do not align with our vision and values.

Let’s peacefully build towards Web3!
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zaitoutau, July 16, 2022 9:32 AM NST
God I wish I could swear in this comments section because this enrages me beyond belief. How do they screen the people they hire??? Cuz it seems like they're doing the worst possible job picking people to represent them. What a terrible thing to say.
skatabo, July 16, 2022 9:33 AM NST
Even in the screenshot with zero context that's clearly not what he said. He did not claim that you /are/ a disease, merely that he believes you have a disease worse than covid (based on what you were saying in chat, presumably) and that is why you are acting, in his opinion, poorly.

A really weird statement to be sure, maybe it makes sense with context, but not the same saying YOU ARE A FATAL DISEASE.
inusfan, July 16, 2022 9:34 AM NST
Honestly its pretty hilarious, how do they keep burning themselves SO bad? Maybe these are moles trying to make them look even worse on purpose lol.
dave - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 9:38 AM NST
@skatabo: He's referring to the community.
recklesse, July 16, 2022 9:41 AM NST
It certainly wasn't very professional behaviour, but isn't that pretty much what we expect from the crypto community? I guess he lashed out when he realised he was barking up completely the wrong tree and wasn't going to get anywhere with it.

No, somebody like that shouldn't be representing the Neopets brand (if that's truly what they are supposed to be doing). Perhaps they should be given some training if they are supposed to be doing outreach (not that it's likely to help with 'converting' Neopets fans to their blockchain based rip-off).
recklesse, July 16, 2022 9:54 AM NST
From what I've seen, 'Ambassador' is not so much a job title as a privilege/reward for people who have been 'particularly supportive' (eg put money into) the project.

The Medium article also says 'ambassadors' will have one of 3 roles: Content Creators, Event Coordinators and Community Translators. I guess that's in addition to shilling for the project at every possible opportunity.
recklesse, July 16, 2022 10:01 AM NST
And there's certainly a huge disconnect between what they say they are looking for in an ambassador and what they actually selected.

Presumably they had slim pickings to choose from.
dave - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 10:02 AM NST
@skatabo: Not sure if that really changes the idea of what he's communicating, or puts him in any better of a light. You don't like NFTs and you like to say it? "Well, you have a disease worse than COVID."

He's also posting right-wing imagery, and in general spent his time trolling.

You're assuming more good faith than he's putting out.
shia, July 16, 2022 10:03 AM NST
Ugh another tirade, please chill out dude. We get it you don't like NFTs or people that like NFTs. Every time you get into a tiff with one of the Neopets NFT crew on Discord you get all up-in-arms and your feathers ruffled, make a big post about how deplorable they are on here and then do it all again.
It's way too hot to read about another "guys, guys! they just said this!". I just don't care if it's not news and I really have no more energy for anymore NFT drama. Don't like em? Don't buy em. Don't get along with that community? Don't talk to them.
pikachu315111, July 16, 2022 10:04 AM NST
Well Code Cowboy, at least I'm not in a crashing market which has resulted thousands to lose large amounts of money (if not their entire life savings) while also being harmful to the environment. But no, I'm the problem, I being able to recognize a scam, choosing not to take part in it, and encouraging others also not to, is clearly the problem here. Let me make it up to you, you see I own this bridge I'm looking to sell...

Actually, wait, anyone part of either community should know that advertising NFTs to the normal Neopets community would be met with hostility (because, you know, they're a scam). So where did the Metaverse team get these "ambassadors"? Shouldn't the ambassadors have come within their community? It sounds like they outsourced them, but why? Actually how "well" has the Neopets NFT community been, especially with the market crashing and all?

Eitherway, fire Code Cowboy. Infact, layoff the entire Metaverse staff. Then take the Metaverse and throw it into the dumpster inferno NFTs and Crpyto have become and walk away. Oh, and take the cash you made from it and PUT IT INTO IMPROVING THE MAIN SITE!
recklesse, July 16, 2022 10:15 AM NST
@pikachu315111, nah; they're part of the 'community', not outsourced. This guy probably forked out to buy a bunch of the original NFTs and they want to keep him sweet.

The two communities are mostly incompatible. They shouldn't be sending inexperienced cryptobros into Neopia unprepared.
pikachu315111, July 16, 2022 10:17 AM NST
@ shia:
First off, Code Cowboy went onto the main Neopets Discord which is very much against NFTs. I'm going to assume he didn't come to cause trouble, but as soon as it was made clear NFTs are not welcomed Code Cowboy went on to be offensive (instead of leaving where he now knows NFTs aren't welcome). No normal player wants anything to to do with the Metaverse and we leave them alone, it's THEM who keep stirring things up.

Second, no, we will not "chill" about someone who is supposed to be representing the Neopets brand and makes insensitive comments. That paints Neopets in a negative light, even if its just from the Metaverse side. "Well you're insensitive to them". Within reason. We tell them how NFTs are designed as a scam and the harm they do on the environment, to solid facts. They instead fling insults which ranges from simple name-calling to homophobia & comparing people to a pandemic which has taken many lives. A BIT of an overblown reaction.

But we will follow your last advice. We won't buy them and we don't want to talk with their community... now someone tell THEM that. You say you're tired of NFT drama? US TOO! But the Metaverse community keeps causing it!
diceroll123, July 16, 2022 10:24 AM NST
As the one who banned this cowboy clown, I'd like to point out that I didn't realize they were an ambassador until after the fact, because I am not in the Metaverse's server so I don't get to see anyone's title/role in their community. Had I known, I would have held them to a higher standard and probably banned them sooner, which would have been doing them + Metaverse a favor, actually!
tpandai, July 16, 2022 10:55 AM NST
I really don’t understand the “insult potential buyers until they buy” advertising technique. I assume thats why he was in the discord to try to drum up hype and gain potential customers but like at what point do you go from asking if theres interest to “if you dont want this you have a disease”? There is no LOGIC behind that! Its just pure immaturity! Even *if* the discord was being rude to this guy - the right thing to do would have been to just leave. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. ESPECIALLY if you are representing a company/project (that has already had a lot of bad publicity no less).
herdy - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 11:21 AM NST
Just to be clear, as well, this was posted by Dave who had no part in the conversation or indeed any previous notable ones. He doesn’t get into ‘tiffs’ on discord.
nobody, July 16, 2022 11:29 AM NST
nobody, July 16, 2022 11:31 AM NST
@shia I don't know what you're on about, because calling out problematic behavior is ALWAYS the right call, ESPECIALLY in cases like this when it's connected to a COMPANY, and ESPECIALLY when that company is THE ONE WE ARE INVOLVED WITH, HERE. AS A COMMUNITY. It's OUR business.
dave - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 11:33 AM NST
@shia: For what it's worth, we stopped covering the daily shenanigans of the Metaverse project months ago.

We only cover items of note when the Metaverse leaks into Neopets spaces, like it has done here with one of their official ambassadors joining our community to troll.
nobody, July 16, 2022 11:34 AM NST
And it's important to me to stay updated on developments in any way related to a site I care so much about, even when they suck. That's why I read the Jellyneo newsposts.

Thank you, JN staff, for keeping us informed.
mistressmary13, July 16, 2022 11:46 AM NST
as usual, bc its some badly behaved tech bro, people are sooooo invested in making up excuses they don't even have the good sense to realize they are turning themselves into a laughable bootlick, sycophantic sad sack, and it would be funny if it weren't so sad watching someone essentially punch themselves in the head with someone else's fist and laugh about it.
roshchodesh, July 16, 2022 12:05 PM NST
Anything I was going to say has already been said more elequently by Dave, Herdy, Pikachu, reckless, nobody, and EVERYONE else, EXCEPT skatabo and shia.

Where did you two come from???(If I was paranoid I'd think you were part of neopets metaverse here to try to 'represent'.)

@dave- what you said "He's also posting right-wing imagery..." is exactly what I thought. That's chilling to me.
cutypie349514, July 16, 2022 12:05 PM NST
why on earth did they hire FOUR people just to do community outreach
gotchi, July 16, 2022 12:06 PM NST
@shia take your own advice- no one told you to comment.
chanty, July 16, 2022 12:11 PM NST
Every time I see NFT/Metaverse + Neopets, it is always disgrace news lol
recklesse, July 16, 2022 12:11 PM NST
To some extent, I think the problem is in the use of language.

The crypto people have a very rarified vocabulary/jargon and symbology that is definitely considered to be derogatory (at best) outside of that space. So they just have to open their mouths to rub us up the wrong way.

I don't think they always realise what they are doing. But that's on them and the people who appointed them (looking at you Jim C and friends).
mavegibson, July 16, 2022 12:15 PM NST
This only serves to confirm what I've previously said about the culture of the Metaverse team. We've repeatedly seen this type of vicious behavior, alt right politics and toxic, entitled attitude from people connected to Metaverse. As someone above already said, 'what else can we expect from a bunch of cryptobros?' JS has gotten into bed with some nasty, bigoted right wing cranks. What a disastrous decision on their part, and they're completely unwilling to take any accountability for it.

I never thought I'd see the day when the Neopets brand would be so publicly treated like a truck stop toilet, all while watching the Neopets team prop up the creeps doing it.

@shia - It's pretty rich watching someone essentially say, "ignore it if it bothers you," meanwhile griping themselves. Perhaps 'how one of JS's Neopets partners interacts and engages with the Neopets community' isn't newsworthy to you, isn't something you're invested in, but if that's the case, maybe take your own advice and scroll on by.
alphashadow, July 16, 2022 12:40 PM NST
Seeing stuff like this it just baffles me to see people who are still actively enjoying Neopets and are at the same time on board with the NFTs and everything else done under the Neopets name. Can you not see this? Are you just ignoring it?

I wouldn't care if this was just some random NFT bro but this is someone who's supposed to be an official embassador...
onelittlespark, July 16, 2022 12:57 PM NST
As someone who has read the entire exchange before Cowboy’s ban: this “ambassador” was given the benefit of the doubt and welcomed into the Discord, Herdy even going to great lengths of providing solid feedback on one of Cowboy’s personal Dev projects. Cowboy consistently would bait & switch topics, troll with questions that made no logical sense in conversation, and claimed being attacked when they were actually being held accountable to their comments and actions.

All to say: generally speaking, the Neopets community IS minding their own business and have become a target for harassment and unwelcomed trolling by the Metaverse community.

Thank you, JN + team for consistently showing up as a beacon of respect and holding others accountable for this brand. I’m so grateful.
sunbathr, July 16, 2022 1:22 PM NST
NFT-hell has such a history of toxicity that the mods had to explicitly enforce rules around censoring screenshots from the boards back when I checked it out in late 2021. Lots of brigading to harass specific users on the boards, calling everyone a shill/paid actor, explicit name-calling/serious attacks (“KYS” type comments), sharing of private neomails to get users to laugh at unsuspecting people on-site…

Maybe it’s calmed down now, but it’s funny seeing them turn around and pretend to clutch their pearls every time they get the tiniest amount of heat in return.
roshchodesh, July 16, 2022 1:25 PM NST
"Qualities of a great ambassador:
Reliability
Positive Attitude
Communicative
Enjoy talking to people of diverse backgrounds
Being able to Improvise (think on your feet)"

Code Cowboy seems to need some o' that book learnin' and such, so he can meet some of them desirous qualities.
coira, July 16, 2022 1:25 PM NST
That image is beyond offensive to say that the people who think NFTs are a waste of time and resources are on par with a religious hate group. Good job, team!
cutypie349514, July 16, 2022 1:33 PM NST
The apology looks like it's a script from one of those CEO of X Apologizes for The Allegations videos
theawedude, July 16, 2022 1:37 PM NST
Obviously this is a big brained 2000IQ move by the nasty cabal of anti-freedom anti-NFTs that smuggled one of their own into the NFT ambassador group to ruin the reputation of a totally legit and definitely not a pyramid scheme NFT group. It's definitely not that the technological and society implications tend to attract the most anti-social and destructive pseudo-libertarian tech bros with both a god complex and the empathy of a slime mould.
eggsalad, July 16, 2022 1:50 PM NST
The whole lot of them are trash.
sosoeuso, July 16, 2022 2:07 PM NST
major yikes
recklesse, July 16, 2022 2:18 PM NST
I've found out where that image comes from.

Apparently it was a faked protest and marketing stunt staged by a clothing company called the Hundreds. Don't know anything about them or whether it makes any difference.
herdy - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 2:27 PM NST
That was pointed out to Code Cowboy when he posted that image. 'Apparently' he didn't know that.
sallyacorn, July 16, 2022 2:30 PM NST
Honestly, nothing good comes of NFT/Crypto. Very dark web shifty shady dodgy... Therefore IMHO there can never be an ambassador in the normal sense of values. Anyone who is part of such community to push themselves to "ambassador" level, is not naive and knows exactly what they are pushing... At the end of the day, NFT/Crypto is sickening, and it is sad to see JS has decided to dabble in this nonsense.
faellie_ridiculous, July 16, 2022 2:49 PM NST
Even if the Cowboy merely stated that the anti-NFT Neopians suffer from a disease worse than Covid, it is still inappropriate, condescending and confrontational. The Cowboy and their ilk are obviously angry that people they deem dumb are preventing them from making a quick profit. The whole Crypto/NFT universe seems shady and insubstantial to me and it just feels like the bottom is bound to fall out completely at some point.
hdawg1995, July 16, 2022 2:59 PM NST
i can never take NFTs seriously and now the neopets metaverse "falls short" to even be friendly with the community. I wonder how much or how long it will actually take to get it though to them that no one wants this.
from a internet community stand point, if you can't even coordinate or pick "ambassadors" that will at least try to be positive or friendly (or just have the sense to assume we'll be interested) how do they expect to run a community built around... anything??? how do they expect to get new comers if THIS is what represents them? There are 0 brain cells here which shouldn't be surprising since its crypto and NFTs/
parody_ham, July 16, 2022 3:50 PM NST
Holy Yikes. I'm sorry, that's grounds for firing an employee. No employee should keep their employment after saying such things. He is... unprofessional doesn't even begin to cover it.
seven_dead_owls, July 16, 2022 3:56 PM NST
Even without the NFTs the metaverse is a dung idea that TNT should have never started or agreed to. The metaverse was always meant to be a sister pay to play site and in my opinion what they hoped would take off so they could close what we have now. What TNT fails to understand and has always failed to understand is they don't need cheap tricks like partnering with these scumbags to get money. If TNT would simply listen to us and what we WANT to pay for onsite they wouldn't be having financial issues, which is obvious from not just the state of the site, the insane cost of their irl merch but feeling the need to partner with these NFT pushers. They need to cut their losses, find a loophole in the contract such as for breach of decorum (again) and tank the entire project! Focus on the parent site and rebuilding trust because honestly we should all be complaining to TNT about how seeing this kind of dung makes us lose faith in the Neopets brand as a whole and chastising them for their choice in partners! They partnered with these people, people who at every turn have insulted the player base and CONTINUE to allow the partnership. I don't know about anyone else but that certainly doesn't make me think TNT has our best interests at heart or that they care what people associate the brand with. This mess on top of how TNT has been treating players and issues on the mother site makes me question how much longer the brand has left before it simply implodes. Nostalgia can only keep a company running and make people turn their heads from the bad for so long.
twistedlittledreamer, July 16, 2022 4:15 PM NST
thanks for the update JellyNeo, yeesh, where do they find these people?? I'd be asking this guy, what are you 2? There's no need of that.
contessa, July 16, 2022 5:37 PM NST
AS distressing and upsetting it is to read about things like this happening, I completely, totally agree with what nobody posted above and I so will re-post that here, it bears repeating:

"And it's important to me to stay updated on developments in any way related to a site I care so much about, even when they suck. That's why I read the Jellyneo newsposts.

Thank you, JN staff, for keeping us informed. "

Yes, thank you JN Staff!
creditworthy, July 16, 2022 5:42 PM NST
What a sensationalist, clickbait headline.

Saying "What you guys have in this chat is worse than covid" is not the same as saying "Neopians are worse than COVID".

Please cool it on the outrage machine.
jaudaran, July 16, 2022 5:51 PM NST
^ Eh, there are easily two ways to interpret the comment. "What you guys have in this chat" could mean the people in the chat, OR something the people in the chat themselves "have". Obviously it sounded like the first to JN. Either one is really bad.
ummy - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 7:02 PM NST
Even without the NFTs the metaverse is a dung idea that TNT should have never started or agreed to.
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TNT wanted nothing to do with NFTs and it was not their idea. As to agreeing, just look at the unusually high staff turnover since it was announced. Its obvious many did not agree over the direction the IP was heading.
pikachu315111, July 16, 2022 7:05 PM NST
@ creditworthy:
Okay, what message do you get from that comment? Because even if it's not them saying "Neopians are worse than COVID" it still isn't anything positive (and doesn't ignore they're still using a disease which caused a pandemic which has taken million of lives and still a major threat).
ummy - JN Staff, July 16, 2022 7:08 PM NST
They partnered with these people, people who at every turn have insulted the player base and CONTINUE to allow the partnership.
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Because they made well over a million dollars scamming people into buying NFTs. Despite the project being a disaster, a few people got very rich. As long as people choose to throw money at cryptocurrencies and NFTs, they're going to keep pushing NFTs until the bubble bursts.

Fortunately more people are starting to see the fundamental flaws in crypto and NFTs due to the crash.
sasquatch253, July 16, 2022 7:28 PM NST
What did you all expect from basically an online pyramid scam? Bernie Madoff, anyone? Seriously. Nothing these fools do or say surprises me. However, by engaging them, you are giving them what they what: a response! Just ignore the trolls and enjoy the site that we all love, while we still can. It's ok to take a tiny bit of joy out of watching their fake "fortunes" burn.
polyhexian, July 16, 2022 7:39 PM NST
good. fire him.
roshchodesh, July 16, 2022 8:12 PM NST
If I said anything remotely like that to my customers (or like the previous homophobic comments), I'd be fired before I could start a second sentence. No boss would take me aside and tell me what's expected of me, and send me back out there.
cat, July 16, 2022 8:35 PM NST
Eh he hasn’t called us Russian bots or WW2 Germans, still not as toxic as Disney/LucasFilm.
clock_flower, July 16, 2022 10:02 PM NST
I really hope "we are taking the necessary steps to ensure our ambassador communication falls in line with our broader vision" is code for "we fired that jerk's sorry behind"
pikachu315111, July 16, 2022 11:06 PM NST
"It is important to note that Ambassadors are NOT employees or official representatives of Neopets Metaverse. It is an initiative to recognize active community members who wish to contribute to the broader Neopets Metaverse community."

... Why? If they're not official employees, why are you giving them the title "ambassador". Because that word carries a LOT of weight to it, it implies that person is not just an enthusiastic member but they represent what they're a part of to anyone who looks in. It also implies they're "go-to" people, both that they're someone you can immediately go to for information and that they're a low-key recruiter via outreaching to other communities and groups. BUT, if they're not official, WHY are you giving them a title which gives people a false sense they have a higher importance/connection and giving them a false sense they have greater power? If you must create a circle of specially selected players just call them that: VIPs, Elites, Premiums, Alphas, etc.. You shouldn't be calling them anything that makes everyone think they're official staff or have higher connections, at that point you might as well call them "Admins".

"we assure you that we’ve taken the necessary steps to ensure all our ambassadors will fall in line with the broader vision with clearer guidelines for our ambassador roles moving forward."

AKA something you should have had in the first place.

"they have privately expressed their apologies to the Neopets Metaverse Team and the broader Neopets community"

Wait, why are they apologizing to you? Was Code Cowboy a jerk to you too? And how nice of them to apologize to you but not the Neopets community who they visually trolled; not even going to quote their apology? I'm not saying they didn't apologize, but why don't the people who they offended know what was exactly said in the apology to them?
cay, July 17, 2022 12:05 AM NST
Whoever Code Cowboy is, is a very low life person
galifan, July 17, 2022 12:15 AM NST
Thanks for reminding me why I'm no longer doing Premium. I suggest Code Cowboy take off the high hat and take 2 semesters each of business communications and human relations.
apophis324, July 17, 2022 12:34 AM NST
Wow wow wow, I don't check Jellyneo for one evening/night CET and dung has hit the fan again? I'm getting tired of this nonsense...

The only way Neopians are worse than Covid is that you can't protect yourself from us~!
katina_choovanski, July 17, 2022 2:36 AM NST
Blah blah blah. Still more yappin, not enough fixin.
roshchodesh, July 17, 2022 3:25 AM NST
Think it's over now? Wonder what code cowboy post now that he is free of the constraints of ambassadorship...

@pikachu315111 - your post is amazingly on point. Thank you for stating the FACTS and breaking them down HONESTLY.
mlooshka, July 17, 2022 3:27 AM NST
Yet another excellent example of why I'm not giving them any of my money these days.
roshchodesh, July 17, 2022 3:29 AM NST
Oh my goodness! Thank you Dave and Jellyneo for representing and informing. We so appreciate you
ness, July 17, 2022 7:06 AM NST
honestly I’d be happy to never hear about neopets meta again, from Jellyneo or otherwise. i think it’s clear that the only thing that will bring and end to this project is abject financial failure, not complaining or bad press…

i love Neopets and I love JN but this is not worth reporting on, imo
ifloatupwards, July 17, 2022 7:19 AM NST
Why does it feel like these companies are run by a bunch of 8th graders? No wonder they aren't doing too well. Alienating the whole user base.
oceanhazel, July 17, 2022 8:13 AM NST
Hey so to the people saying this news isn’t worth it: maaaybe realize that the IP is going down the drain and that we other players actually care about the site? Just sayin, we want answers and keeping quiet isn’t gonna help everyone, with all due respect asking them to ‘not report on this anymore’ is similar to sitting down and shutting up <3
bacon, July 17, 2022 9:05 AM NST
@oceanhazel: This IP has been circling the drain for years. It's 2022, and the site doesn't even have a fully-functioning mobile site. Saying NFTs are killing Neopets is giving this NFT project too much power.
jawsch, July 17, 2022 9:07 AM NST
The sad part is, this is more communication and decisions than JS has made in years. lol
zanzia, July 17, 2022 9:27 AM NST
I don't like NFTs. I don't like the Metaverse team or what was said. But this title is intentionally misleading; Neopians weren't called worse than COVID. As someone who has seen fandoms that are toxic, I understood what he was saying. It was still wrong, but not the same thing as your title.

And many here in the comments are displaying the same bullying behavior to those few who dare voice a different opinion.
apophis324, July 17, 2022 9:34 AM NST
@bacon: You mean a fully functioning PC-friendly site. I mean, you're right in your wording, I feel my wording is better in its meaning
roshchodesh, July 17, 2022 9:48 AM NST
@ness thanks, but you don't need to make global decisions for any of us about what is worth what. We can do that all by ourselves.
" i think it’s clear that the only thing that will bring and end to this project is abject financial failure, not complaining or bad press…"
Really? Based on what, exactly? Businesses have crashed and burned from customer complaints and bad publicity.
roshchodesh, July 17, 2022 9:50 AM NST
...which causes financial failure.
oceanhazel, July 17, 2022 9:56 AM NST
@bacon: And why do you think the site’s failing? Aside from poor management, what do you think is the main reason? The Metaverse, the one you claim is giving ‘too much credit’ when it’s slowly replacing the site right in front of our faces. Did you forget people can be upset about this and, again, staying quiet is equivalent to sitting down and shutting up?
oceanhazel, July 17, 2022 9:58 AM NST
Seriously the lack of care and concern some of y’all have (those who don’t ‘want this news’ and whatnot) is telling. I’m tired of NFTs and the Metaverse too but ignoring it is just gonna cause the project to grow more, not like TNT care. But y’know, better than staying silent and accepting it!
herdy - JN Staff, July 17, 2022 11:58 AM NST
@zanzia: the exact context of the message was he was saying he would not kiss anyone in the thread because he believed they have something worse than covid. As in, he believed people having a negative attitude to a product was worse than an illness that has killed millions. There’s nothing misleading here.
ness, July 17, 2022 12:04 PM NST
our community has dragged the metaverse project through the dirt and back again, and it was funny and i was here for it, but its been 9 months and none of that actually proved to stop the project from moving forward...nor did boycotting the site, people cancelling their premium, refusing to buy official merchandise, etc...

whether we're loudly outspoken and outraged about the issue, or staying silent and accepting it, the outcome seems to be the same...and considering that what we're talking about is, ultimately, a virtual pet game, i really don't think the stakes warrant the level of intensity that i've seen surrounding this topic.

that's just my opinion i'm voicing, im not demanding that anyone stops talking about/reporting it
galifan, July 17, 2022 12:17 PM NST
Regardless of whether one loves NFTs, doesn't want to hear about NFTs, thinks Neo is going down the drain, or doesn't mind as long as the site is playable, it's still time for Code Cowboy to skate off the ice and head for the showers.
mavegibson, July 17, 2022 12:51 PM NST
People making a fuss about other people making too much of a fuss will never stop being hilarious to me.
bacon, July 17, 2022 1:19 PM NST
@ness: I'm on your side on this.
sweetadeline, July 17, 2022 2:20 PM NST
nfts attract the lowest of the low on the internet so I'm not surprised. Racist white guys who probably got kicked off reddit and most other platforms. So glad I have nothing to do with that community. Seeing their inane tweets and stuff occasionally is bad enough. Try hard edgelords who never got over the fact they can't act like its still 2003 when idiots thought they were funny and didn't call out their BS.
boelens, July 17, 2022 2:27 PM NST
@sallyacorn

I understand why you might think that, and I agree NFTs are useless and an incomplete technology. But crypto does produce some good things, crypto is just a *really* broad term encapsulating some good ones and some bad ones. But the darknet isn't entirely shady or dodgy. I have perfectly fine morals and values and have made use of these things, it's not something people regularily know and I won't go into too much detail here, but the darknet and some markets they offer actually greatly help people and prevent crime & deaths.
digresser, July 17, 2022 3:39 PM NST
I really appreciate Jellyneo keeping us filled in on the NFT shenanigans. The entire thing remains a bad look for the Neopets franchise.

Having said that, I do think that changing the post to read "Official NFT Ambassador Calls Neopians' *chat* (or "conversation" or even "feedback" "Worse Than COVID"" would more accurately reflect what happened--thus removing ammunition from their position and keeping the conversation focused on what actually happened.
digresser, July 17, 2022 3:40 PM NST
whoops, the emoticon ate my bracket...
noradoodle, July 17, 2022 4:44 PM NST
Goodness, I hope this serves to remind others that the metaverse team clearly doesn't actually care about Neopets players. They're just being nasty.
herdy - JN Staff, July 17, 2022 4:56 PM NST
@digresser: That wasn’t their statement though, at all.
topaz644, July 17, 2022 5:17 PM NST
My fervent wish was that the neometaverse and neopets could just stay in their own worlds and basically ignore each other, but the fact that our Neopia is being leeched for the meta benefit wont allow that.

If the crypto/nft/meta thing is so profitable why does neopets.com have to pay with our resources which were slim to begin with?

Not even gonna get in to the meta slop dripping all over the neopets ip. Disgusting.

The "fellow neopians" thing galls me too.
pikachu315111, July 17, 2022 5:21 PM NST
@ boelens:
Look, I'm sure you're a nice guy. But please, answer me this: what has crypto produced that is good? It's not just NFT market that is crashing, in general all crypto is crashing. Also crypto is just as damaging to the environment as NFTs were as they're built off the same technology just used in different ways. So, what good product has crypto produced?

@ digresser:
The only ammunition this provides are to nitpickers who have nothing else to go on nor explain what that quote is supposed to mean. Code Cowboy, after receiving a push back, is saying that the Neopian players "have something worse than Covid". They're implying that the attitude of the players chatting in the Discord, players who want nothing to do with NFTs otherwise they would be on the Metaverse Discord, is worse then a pandemic disease that has killed millions. They're saying Neopian's attitudes are worse than Covid. They are essentially saying Neopians are worse than Covid. Let us not mince words here, and trying to defend that's not what they meant is both naïve and trying to overlook/distract away from that, no matter the context, what they said was deplorable and they should not have a title such as "ambassador" to the Neopets brand, non-official or otherwise.

@ zanzia:
Then what are they saying? What are you taking from that quote we're not? I gave my above explanation how I (and many others) are taking it. Please, give me yours.
Also, how are we bullying others? I'll admit many of us have been confrontational, but it's been reasonable counter-arguments and questions. No name calling. No assuming the worst of someone. We're having a conversation and asking questions.

@ bacon & ness:
The last time JN mentioned anything about the metaverse was May 19, nearly 2 months ago. And between then and now they're reported nearly daily (multiple times even) on mainly on site news (new Colours, wearables, Altador Cup) and upcoming merch. The metaverse news doesn't make even 1% of the
pikachu315111, July 17, 2022 5:21 PM NST
The metaverse news doesn't make even 1% of the news on JN. Why are you acting as if JN is frequently reporting on the metaverse? They're not, hardly, and it's not because there isn't stuff they can be reporting about, they just choose not to mention anything unless it slips into the normal Neopets community space. AND that is is newsworthy because it shows that what happens in the Metaverse sadly doesn't stay in the metaverse, if not called attention to it may happen more often. Netdragon has given Metaverse way too much leeway with what they can do with the brand, notably who they partner-up with, and we're just hoping as long as we Metaverse stuff in that community than anyone looking onto Neopets as a whole will know the Metaverse is clearly its own group and not a reflection of the normal Neopets community.
And if you still are tired of of hearing about Metaverse stuff, just doesn't bother reading these posts. Ignore them. Don't read the comments. Just come back later, eventually non-Metaverse stuff will be posted. We understand, but to some of us we want to know when this stuff happens so we can push back against it SO no more Metaverse stuff slips over.

@ roshchodesh:
Thanks! I'm just stating what's on mind and how I see things.
topaz644, July 17, 2022 6:00 PM NST
I poogled a question just now: How many times has China banned crypto?
Every time Beijing announces a crackdown on their industry, the running joke among the crypterati is that China has already banned cryptocurrency 18 times.
zoeyaugust1245, July 17, 2022 6:00 PM NST
not gonna get into the comments here, but when i read this i was with my bf. he knows nothing, looked over my shoulder to read this, and just cackled at how ridiculous it all is. just the absurdity of how neopets even got into nfts, and then how it got to stuff like this. which, he's definitely right.
roshchodesh, July 17, 2022 6:20 PM NST
@boelens re:"...but the darknet and some markets they offer actually greatly help people and prevent crime & deaths."

I. Never. Want. To. Know. What. That. Is. EVER
topaz644, July 17, 2022 6:31 PM NST
Never ever did I think praise for the darknet would find it's way to a Neo site.

That one post of boelens is something I might see in a sub reddit I follow: unsolved mysteries which includes, well, look for yourself if inclined *shudder*
creditworthy, July 17, 2022 6:38 PM NST
@pikachu – As far as I can tell, no one here is defending “Code Cowboy” or their statements/viewpoints. What I (and several others) have expressed is a desire for accuracy in reporting. JN is operating in a de facto position of trust, and we, as a community, have a right to seek accountability for those acting in that capacity. There are clearly grounds for a legitimate grievance here, so why misrepresent it with an inaccurate, sensationalist headline?
topaz644, July 17, 2022 6:52 PM NST
@creditworthy- Why would some hi falutin ambassador even use the word covid as a comparison to ANYTHING?

The JN article stands as truth.

It's not as if we read headlines and just go on our way. Do you?

Neopians read the whole article, watch all the news, don't believe only one source for any thing.

Neopians stand on solid ground and don't have to slander those who disagree with us.
pikachu315111, July 17, 2022 6:59 PM NST
@creditworthy
So what would you want the title to be?

"Metaverse Ambassador Insults Neopians That "You Have Something Worse" Than COVID"?

You want people to read a sentence what could be generalized in a quick title that gets across the same message (that someone from the Metaverse, with a title of "Ambassador", told a batch of players they have something worse than COVID)? You're demanding for accuracy but what accuracy are you advocating for? AND for what purpose? Why is it a problem, in this instance, what was said was generalized? JN did not hide any of the details in the actual post.

And, once again, I gave my reasoning why what Code Cowboy said is indeed them saying Neopian's (attitudes) are worse than COVID. What way are you reading their post that you're getting a different message? I am genuinely curious, because I can't see any other way you can read that post.
creditworthy, July 17, 2022 7:00 PM NST
@topaz - No true Scotsman
topaz644, July 17, 2022 7:24 PM NST
@creditworthy what does that mean?

I just deleted 5 curse words from this post leaving only this:
You are trying too hard.
digresser, July 17, 2022 7:46 PM NST
@pikachu315111

"trying to defend that's not what they meant is both naïve and trying to overlook/distract away from that"

Can you please show me where in my comments I was trying to defend them in any way, shape, or form?

I also don't appreciate your implication that I'm trying to distract anyone from what was said. I get that this situation has you upset and/or very passionate, but attacking people who are on your side helps nothing and risks alienating allies.

I think zanzia, creditworthy, and I were all clear that we aren't fans of the metaverse, that we think what they said was despicable, but that we believe that misquoting them is a mistake. (zanzia and creditworthy, if I'm wrong about any of this, please let me know).

Obviously, I didn't explain myself well enough in my original post so I'm going to try to word my thoughts on this in a different manner:

It's the difference between saying "what Bob said is worse than Covid" and "Bob is worse than Covid". Both are terrible things to say, but they ARE different.

Misquotes make people wonder if other details have been changed. They create doubt where there shouldn't be any, and they give the opposing side ammunition e.g. "that's not what we said" and "you're twisting our words". In a courtroom, they'd be right, and right now this battle is being fought in the court of public opinion--which is why I so strongly believe that the facts should be presented as clearly and accurately as possible.

Currently, "Official NFT Ambassador Calls Neopians "Worse Than COVID"" is directly contradicted by the picture right below it that says "what you guys have in this chat is worse than covid".

@herdy, if there's more to the statement then it needs to be in the post itself. All we have to go on is what is posted.

It's not a very hard thing to fix. If it exists, post more evidence that shows they're referring to Neopians as a whole and not the chat (which, to be crystal clear, is bad enough on its
digresser, July 17, 2022 7:55 PM NST
I got cut off. How is there no warning for that

Here's the rest:

It's not a very hard thing to fix. If it exists, post more evidence that shows they're referring to Neopians as a whole and not just the chat; if there isn't additional evidence, change the words to "Neopian dialogue" or "Neopian feedback" or something similar.

Heck, just changing "calls" to "implies" makes the statement more accurate. It's not perfect and still has some issues, but "Official NFT Ambassador Implies Neopians are "Worse Than COVID" is better than the current statement as it doesn't state as fact something that isn't.

I realize that to some people no amount of explanation will make this not seem like nitpicking, but I promise you that there is a very important distinction being made here--as well as an attempt to explain why not correcting this would be setting a worrying precedent.
pikachu315111, July 17, 2022 8:28 PM NST
@ digresser:
I'll agree you weren't defending them and I apologize for the confusion. I just don't believe the title is wrong and us staying on the topic I don't feel it helping the case.

And where am I angry? Where am I attacking? I'll admit I am confronting but I have done so respectfully and not without cause.

But you're right that we're all one the same side. The title should be looked upon as nothing but a generalization of what happened. You can call it "clickbaity", but as I see it doesn't lie.

Even if it's not referring to every Neopian, it is referring to the general attitude many Neopians have that they don't like the metaverse & NFTs. And a person's attitude is a very personal part of them, in some ways you can say its who they are, so saying "you're attitude is worse than COVID" might as well be saying the individual/group is.

If we're really going to argue about technicalities & semantics, "Neopians" is a pretty ambiguous term itself which can refer to either the whole or a smaller group. So, upon reading the story, the title saying "Neopians" isn't referring to every Neopian but rather the group of Neopians in the Discord chat. Both groups would be called Neopians, the article clarifies specifics.
pikachu315111, July 17, 2022 8:34 PM NST
@ digresser:
BTW, they're not "Official", the Ambassador title is just a special title the metaverse people are handing out to some of its members cause they, what did they say, "wish to contribute to the broader Neopets Metaverse community". (Which to me sounds like they spent a lot of money of NFTs)
digresser, July 17, 2022 9:11 PM NST
@pikachu315111

Thank you for your apology. I appreciate it very much.

I didn't say that you were angry, but upset. I should have said "seemed upset" so MY apologies for that.

To me, at least, you seemed very confrontational, and that came across as attacks. I suspect some of it has to do with the fact that online we only have words to go by, so it's easy to misread someone's tone.

I really, truly believe that it's very important to quote people accurately. I've already listed quite a few reasons why, so I'm just going to leave it at that--I don't think there is anything more I can say on the subject that will change any minds who still disagree.

I do think you're correct that Code Cowboy was likely referring to a specific group of Neopians; but I also think that most of us--including you (yes?)--believe that most (if not all) of the people involved in the Neopets NFT project seem to view the majority of Neopians with disdain.

My belief is that to them, either we're fools who will hand over our money OR they'll attack us for being fools for not seeing their "vision" aka handing over our money.

Their biggest mistake is that they're terrible con artists; good scammers slowly sell you on the con--trying to neg(g) you into giving in is counterproductive.

As for them not being "official" I think the Metaverse is trying to have it both ways. You can't refer to someone as yours ("one of our ambassadors" with "guidelines" and then say that they're not "official representatives". Not an employee, absolutely, but they ARE officially sanctioned, and I'm fully on board with Jellyneo (and everyone else) referring to them as "official ambassadors".

(And, maybe this is just me being pessimistic, but I have my doubts about the person behind Code Cowboy leaving for good. It's likely that they're invested in this project, and my guess is they'll just rename themself and continue trying to protect their investment. But, again, that's just a guess.)
digresser, July 17, 2022 9:12 PM NST
STOP EATING MY BRACKETS WINK EMOTICON!!!
creditworthy, July 17, 2022 9:17 PM NST
@topaz – look it up

@pikachu – I appreciate your trying to find some common ground between those who have a problem with the Neopets Metaverse and those who have a problem with BOTH the Neopets Metaverse and the way this article is presented. Imo, the title you provided is immeasurably more accurate and acceptable than the original.
I’m not trying to be needlessly semantical, but I hope you can understand that some neurodivergent people are predisposed to semantics. Imo, the headline as it currently reads implies an accusation that I, as a Neopian, am worse than Covid – a disease that has killed millions – and is therefore a claim on par with saying that I am worse than Hitler. (Talk about triggering!) Upon further reading, one finds out that “Code Cowboy” is speaking to a specific group of people “in this chat” who they claim to “have” something worse than Covid. I (regrettably) “have” many qualities that I consider to be worse than Covid. Fear, anger, violence, arrogance, and ignorance are all qualities that I have which have undoubtedly claimed more lives than Covid ever will.
So saying that “what I am” is worse than Covid (as the headline reads) is imo absolutely different from saying “what I have” is worse than Covid. The former I dispute whole-heartedly, while the latter I readily accept.
jaudaran, July 17, 2022 9:27 PM NST
TBH like I said before, I think arguments over the headline are complicated by the fact that the comment has two ways to interpret it. "What you guys have in this chat" could mean either "what you people in this chat have" (a quality the users have) OR "what's in this chat of yours" (which obviously would be the users). I read it the first way, but I can't say I fault anyone for reading it the second. (Obviously both are terrible.)
jaudaran, July 17, 2022 9:32 PM NST
Looking back at that, I'm not sure I explained it well enough that if you only read it one way you could see the other, but I don't know better words for it.
ness, July 17, 2022 11:04 PM NST
i appreciate that JN is limiting their reporting on meta...

all i know is that whenever it Does get reported on, it mostly serves to get people riled up and upset and doesn't seem to actually do any good in terms of improving the main site, encumbering the metaverse project, or helping userbase morale...it's a type of reporting that i find less-than-responsible. i'll take the "don't like, don't read" advice going forward, certainly, but i also think the issue is bigger than a difference of opinion on NFTs and thats why ive commented on it

i think thats pretty much all i can say on it, thanks for those who showed good faith!
apophis324, July 18, 2022 12:11 AM NST
@ness: I don't know, I do think that this makes us stronger as, at the very least, the JellyNeo community. We all have our opinions and most of us act in a respectful manner to others regarding those opinions.

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Of course nothing will actually change if we only keep our ranting on this website, instead of taking it elsewhere. However, as it appears to be the case now, if we were to take our ranting elsewhere, we run the risk of being called out for having something worse than a contemporary virus. Not very encouraging either.

In the end it's easy to interpret things someone said, but we can never know if that is the intended meaning unless we talk about it.

Personally I don't find it in good taste that when someone asks for a specific explanation, all they get as a response is to "look it up".
herdy - JN Staff, July 18, 2022 3:24 AM NST
So to be clear the implication of the post was that ‘what they had’ was a dislike of NFTs and/or Metaverse. And Code Cowboy was saying the opinion of disliking Metaverse was worse than covid. Fundamentally a person’s beliefs are inseparable from the person. If you say someone’s attitude is worse than X, you’re saying that person is worse than X. The attitudes he was commenting on are not unique to the thread he was posting on. The post is accurate.
pikachu315111, July 18, 2022 4:06 AM NST
@ digresser:
When it comes to the title I think it is best to agree to disagree. At this point I think most have read it and the post so the point is moot for now and better saved for a future title-making. Though I wouldn't blame if JN decided, with it being an infrequent occurrence, that they come up with a generic title for anytime the metaverse does something: It's Time For Another "Metaverse Mess-Up"!

Oh, I have no doubt the Metaverse community sees the normal Neopets community in lesser light cause we didn't go in on the con (and celebrated the low sales of the Neopet NFTs because that made theirs less valuable... which if you think for a second doesn't make sense according to the law of supply & demand but I digress).

If I'm allowed to be a bit more speculative, I would say Code Cowboy wasn't looking to be the person to convert the majority of people with his communication skills (which we've seen is on the same level of most Cryptobros: Middle School Jock) but rather poking in to see if there were any sheep they could shepherd to the NFT flock. But they weren't expecting to be hit with so much push back (which prevented said sheep from following them). Now at this point a good con would bail with a neutral departing message, but Cryptobros tend to double-down and fight back. Not sure why those who do this think a bullying tactic is the best way to lure people in, but I've just seen it too many times now for it not to be part of that culture.

Huh, right, didn't realize how paradoxical their use of "official" was here. They have to be approved to be an "ambassador" hence thus are "official", yet they don't consider them "officials" in the same way as employees... yet they're now coming up with guidelines they have to follow? Metaverse, what are they? Do they work for you to go out and represent the brand or are they just special members? Can't have it both ways.

"STOP EATING MY BRACKETS WINK EMOTICON!!!"

- No, they're yummy & give m
pikachu315111, July 18, 2022 4:07 AM NST
"STOP EATING MY BRACKETS WINK EMOTICON!!!"

- No, they're yummy & give me a smile! *wink*

(EDIT: Gotta admit I got a laugh at the text limit cutting off my post at the exact point making a joke about the comment box acting wonky. Yeah, we do need something like a text counter the Neoboards have)

@ creditworthy:
Um, those are quite some interesting leaps you made. Didn't think we needed to enact Godwin's Law here, COVID is bad enough. Also raw emotions are not the same thing as COVID, I don't know how you found comparisons to them and then used said comparison to, um, agree(?), that they're worse than COVID.

Also, I doubt Code Cowboy was thinking THAT hard when they wrote that message. The message was in response to push back they didn't like. I referred to it as people's attitude, though you can also call it people's mentality, personality, beliefs, etc.. At the end of the day, he saw that people didn't like NFTs & the Metaverse and actively push back against it, so got upset and insulted everyone with that thinking (which is the majority of Neopians) that if you think that way it's worse than COVID. And to me, when you say a way a person thinks is something, well, you're just saying that person is the something. A way a person thinks is who they are. Granted, you can now say I'm overthinking things and Code Cowboy was just making a poor-tasting insult... and maybe we should just leave it at that.

And when it comes to the two ways you've interpreted the message, I still disagree eitherway that I or "whatever I have" is worse than COVID. No, no it's not. Leaving the "individual" interpretation alone, what "I have" that Code Cowby is considering "worse than COVID" is a cautious mind who likes doing a bit of research before making risky financial decisions... and came to the (CORRECT) conclusion that NFTs are at most worthless or at worse a scam. I would say that is far from a disease which has killed millions... or, if I may dare, a risky venture tha
pikachu315111, July 18, 2022 4:09 AM NST
I would say that is far from a disease which has killed millions... or, if I may dare, a risky venture that had just crashed and resulted in the loss of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of people's life savings (and still I also wouldn't call NFTs worse than COVID cause that's still highly insensitive; though I would support a move to used "NFT"/"Metaverse" as a negative term to relate things to). "What the Metaverse has in their community is worse than NFTs", yeah, has a nice ring to it.

@ ness:
I see, but at this point keeping people just aware of the Metaverse nonsense is all we can really do. There's no way we can directly support the main site without risk any money being funneled to the Metaverse, only way the Metaverse project is ending if Netdragon decides to do so and they're happy sitting on the cash they made from the first round of NFTs, and since the beginning the Metaverse community kept within their circle upon seeing the majority of regular players didn't want to be involved.

As I see it, the point of these posts is so we can keep tabs on what is Metaverse and what isn't for the sake of outside people looking in. "The main Neopets brand isn't involved with NFT scams, that's the Metaverse side of things; we the majority of Neopet players just want time, money, and resources put into making the site better!".

It might be tiring but if the Metaverse ever does anything irresponsible that catches the attention of the wider world wide web it would hopefully show the internet it's not the average Neopians who are causing problems. It's damage control ideally.
maknaetani, July 18, 2022 8:22 AM NST
I'm so tired of people affiliated with the metaverse project being rude to the Neopets community. So, so tired. Please. If you can't/won't leave us alone at least give us some basic respect.
boelens, July 18, 2022 11:33 AM NST
@roshchodesh
I think your mind went to something entirely different from what I meant haha, I just realised what I wrote and how it might've come off as what I implied. I don't think I can mention it here but there is a positive aspect of it, that is not illegal or harms people and instead helps them ^^

@topaz644
I get why you might think that especially what kind of impression popular media has given about the darknet, but trust me, it's not nearly as scary or shady as you may think, I am not talking about those kinds of things. I don't want to go into too many details to abide by rules, but basically there were certain products my body was dependent on because of difficulties in my life, products people commonly buy off of people selling them on the street. However a lot of these people sell products that aren't quite what they advertise them as, and the people who get those wrong products without knowing it can end up with serious harm. Since darknet markets have a review system, people like me who needed those products were able to safely do so without having to worry about that aspect as much, it has saved many peoples' lives in that aspect
The darknet isn't inherently "evil" or shady, it's just webpages that you can't find on the regular internet. In fact, 99% of websites you'll find on the darknet are completely mundane, and the ones that you see on reddit or on videos about "look at this scary thing this darknet site offers!" are almost exclusively all fake.

@pikachu315111
Again, I don't know how much detail I can go into but I describe it above, you'll probably get what I mean. Also, not every crypto is harmful to the environment, just proof of work ones like Bitcoin and Ethereum, which I am against. There are a few that are genuinely useful for very legitemate reasons like banking which I have used myself, but I am not sure I am allowed to mention specific names here. Just keep in mind crypto is very broad as a term and contains coins that *ar
pikachu315111, July 18, 2022 12:00 PM NST
@ boelens:
I think it might be best if we stopped talking about darknet stuff, especially if you elaborated as best as you could without going into detail without fear of breaking the rules. All I'll say on it is do be careful; even if its 99% mundane and you get products you need, it only takes that 1% to make things go bad, if you can check (and confirm) sources.

As for crypto, I'm sorry, nothing presented to me has proved itself to me worth using. Either the technology is just too early that the uses for it are limited or it can't be used without hassle/causing harm, or it's the new tech which seems to have high possibility but in the end it's niche at best or doesn't hold up in the end. It needs more time in development, notably when it doesn't require so much power to use.
boelens, July 18, 2022 1:15 PM NST
@pikachu315111
Absolutely, I'll shush now. And don't worry, I've turned my life around and not needed any products for 2 years now

And that's fair, crypto is a divisive concept. We'll have to agree to disagree, but I do agree there are a lot of ones I dislike, and I *especially* dislike NFTs haha, nothing good comes from those.
pikachu315111, July 18, 2022 1:58 PM NST
@ boelens:
Good to hear! I don't mean to shush you, but between the options of saying something which can be seen as, let's say "legally gray", and moving onto another topic, best to go on talking about the newest JN posts.

And agree to disagree, I think for many subjects discussed in this comment section has essentially reached that point. I don't always want to sound negative so here's hoping for better future technology!

It was nice chatting with you, whether we chat again in the future or this is the last we say to one another, I wish you adieu and happy days.
boelens, July 18, 2022 3:34 PM NST
@pikachu315111
Oh absolutely! I didn't interpret it as you shushing me at all haha. That was my reasoning too, absolutely. I will probably be around more on JN nowadays so have a nice day and see you another time perhaps!
digresser, July 18, 2022 8:25 PM NST
@pikachu315111

Your bracket smile joke (and the unfortunate text cutoff) cracked me up, thanks
mavegibson, July 18, 2022 10:05 PM NST
There sure is a lot of sealioning going on in this thread.

I think it is fair to say that Code Cowboy's statements were open to interpretation to some degree. Which interpretation is valid is up for debate. Arguing over the semantics is pointless. The title of the post isn't harmful or misleading. The spirit of what the guy said is - in my opinion - pretty fairly communicated. It's rather infuriating to watch JN being raked over the coals when they've done absolutely nothing wrong, meanwhile there is actual harm being done by the Metaverse people, in the way they have been treating Neopians and the Neopets brand.

This kind of dynamic is why the right has such a disproportionate level of power in the world, in spite of the fact that most people lean to the center, center-left, or left. People on the right consolidate power and stick together, while the left can't seem to agree on anything, and love nothing more than to eat each other alive.
digresser, July 19, 2022 4:35 AM NST
@mavegibson

I had resigned myself to letting this matter go, but your comment is so incredibly unfair that I have to speak up. Obviously I can't speak for anyone but me, but it seems at least some of this is directed at me, so I'm going to respond to it all.

I spent a lot of time and put a lot of thought into my posts on this thread because this is an issue that matters to me. It's important to me that "my side" (Neopians) are as strong as possible when facing against the opposition (Metaverse), and I believe that strength comes from holding ourselves to higher standards. As I explained in detail in my earlier posts, misquoting someone is a mistake, and it always weakens one's position. I would have had the same reaction if we'd resorted to insults or name-calling.

Now, if you want to disagree with me on it being a misquotation, then it is what it is. You're entitled to your opinion.

What I find incredibly unfair, however, are your accusations.

From Merriam Webster: Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter

Asking someone to back up a claim that's lacking in evidence is not sealioning. If you're referring to the question I asked pikachu315111, you'll see that they acknowledged they were incorrect, and then we did the same thing in reverse--all while we were having a very cordial discussion about everything. That's not sealioning. Nor is me right here asking you to back up your accusation of sealioning in this thread with examples.

Speaking of examples, I know that I didn't rake JN over the coals ("criticize someone angrily for doing something wrong". That's another accusation that I think you should either provide examples of or rethink and retract.

Let me ask this. Why is there so much resistance to making the post a little clearer? One or two small word changes and quite a few of us
digresser, July 19, 2022 4:44 AM NST
WINKY FACE THE BRACKET EATER STRIKES AGAIN

EVERY TIME!!!!
digresser, July 19, 2022 4:45 AM NST
Oh, and I got cut off. Again. Gosh, that so frustrating and anticlimactic.

Here's the rest of that post:

Let me ask this. Why is there so much resistance to making the post a little clearer? One or two small word changes and quite a few of us would no longer have an issue with the post and...nothing would be lost by those who don't see a difference. Seriously, even if you think it's an argument of semantics what is the harm in changing the wording to appease the group that has concerns? End result: everyone ends up on the same page and can focus on the actual opposition. Huzzah!

Instead of that happening, however, those of us who have concerns are either being dismissed or accused of causing trouble. And that right there is what really caused the rift in this thread.
herdy - JN Staff, July 19, 2022 8:28 AM NST
To add, in private conversations with JN staff yesterday Code Cowboy attempted to clarify his stance multiple times — by saying that yes, it was exactly as JN has reported. There’s no debate here. What was said was said with the intent JN reported it as.
roshchodesh, July 19, 2022 9:35 AM NST
To clear up any confusion, this is not the Washington Post.

I laughed out loud at all the posts saying there was no reason to complain since it wouldn't make a difference. Lo and behold, the removed code cowboy's dubious ambassadorship status and issued a kumbaya statement (insidious as it may be).

I don't think Herdy has to explain one more time.
Change happened!
digresser, July 19, 2022 12:10 PM NST
No one thinks this is the Washington Post. It's just been a group of Neopians who hoped their voices would be heard about the importance of accuracy when quoting someone--no matter who you are.

That Code Cowboy is said to have said additional awful things behind the scenes is not a surprise. This entire time I've thought that JN was likely right in thinking that Code Cowboy probably does think we (either all Neopians or the ones against NFTs) "are worse than Covid". I just also believe it's wrong to say "this person said X" and when the evidence shows that they really said "Y"; either the statement should be changed or additional evidence (i.e. another screenshot, not a "trust us this was said" kind of thing) should be provided for it not to seem misleading.

To be clear, I never thought JN was deliberately trying to mislead us, just that how they presented things could be misleading.

I do think they made a mistake in dismissing those of us trying to explain our concern; I know it left me feeling unheard and with a little less faith in JN's accuracy in reporting. I refuse to blindly trust anyone, and--even though it was in a very small way--that's what was being asked here.

Although I may be mistaken, I am only aware of one post that claimed JN's NFT posts don't make a difference; I'm pretty sure that all of us who had concerns about the quotation issue were still supportive of the post itself. Their hard stance on NFTs and their dedication to keeping us informed about Metaverse's shenanigans is something I (and I'm sure many of us) appreciate a great deal. That appreciation is how I began my first post on this thread, but I think that was overshadowed by the discussion that followed, and I wish hadn't allowed that to happen in my posts. The Jellyneo team volunteers their time and effort to give us so much, and I'm very grateful to them for that.
mavegibson, July 19, 2022 3:04 PM NST
I think everyone here can see what is going on, and make their own judgments accordingly. I'll just leave it at that.
pikachu315111, July 19, 2022 4:44 PM NST
*Wipes hands clean*

I'm so glad we got past the issue of the post title and what way Code Cowboy comment was stupid...

*Sees the argument still wages on*

Oh for the love of Fyora... Dave, just please change the title to "Metaverse Ambassador Goes Onto Neopets Discord And Says Something Stupid" so we can just move on.
digresser, July 19, 2022 7:32 PM NST
@pikachu315111

We did reach the point of a friendly "we'll have to agree to disagree" a while ago. I was disappointed that nothing was changed, but I felt like I'd said everything I could and that was that. Even if people kept posting an opinion opposite of mine, that was it for me.

But then it got a bit personal, and the reason I got involved again was because mavegibson implied that my intentions are malicious. I politely called them on it, and they didn't back their accusations up but continued to imply that they were in the right. It's frustrating, but, like they said, I'm sure everyone reading the posts will make their own judgments accordingly.

roshchodesh's post had me concerned that there were still a few misunderstandings, and it made me realize that the praise JN deserves was getting a bit overshadowed by the discussion (and I definitely played a part in that); so that's why I replied there.

But the main argument--aka the issue with the quotation--I think that's done and has been for a bit. I know you put in a lot of effort trying to help everyone to get along on this thread, and I just want you to know that I appreciate the thought and consideration you gave everyone in your replies. We didn't see eye-to-eye on the one issue, but I think we have similar views on most of the rest of this, and it was a pleasure discussing everything with you.
pikachu315111, July 19, 2022 8:42 PM NST
@ digresser:
I was just trying to break the tension with a joke, hence my nonchalant opening and silly declaration of "oh my Fyora", indication a bit of non-seriousness as why would I even do the Fyora-for-god replacement.

What I'll say on the topic that I do feel in some places mavegibson was out-of-line however. Notably at the end for some reason bringing in the right-vs-left argument. I'm holding back from saying more, but I will say I VERY much disagree with what they said with how they perceive each side acts. But it's still something which did not need bringing up as it's not an element to the discussion. Yes, we get morally charged here, but the line stops there and should not go political.

Here are the facts, let's agree to let them be:

1. Code Cowboy compared an aspect of the Neopian community, whether it was just "something" in the Discord chat or the entire community, to COVID. What he meant is up to interpretation, but whatever you think either one is reprehensible (and they were rightfully fired, at least that's what they said).
2. The title of this post does firmly take one view of the infamous quote Code Cowboy said, that its an attack on the entire community. JN Staff have heard the arguments for a more accurate title but made it clear this is the stance they wish to take and the title is NOT changing.

Thinking about it, JN has made it very clear they are entirely anti-NFT & Metaverse. Had there been some JN staff who felt indifferent, internally they may have discussed about changing the title to more reflect the ambiguous target. But this is not the case, thus them taking the stance that the target was the community (or that by targeting one aspect of the community they might as well be targeting the whole). While accuracy was provided within the article, truth is JN has shown what side its on in the past and it didn't need to if they chose. Arguing about it doesn't change the facts and it's time we all bury the hatchets: also und
pikachu315111, July 19, 2022 8:43 PM NST
Arguing about it doesn't change the facts and it's time we all bury the hatchets: also understand NO side "won" as the title was never gonna change.

(Of course its the very last sentence that I reach the word limit )
digresser, July 19, 2022 9:07 PM NST
I totally missed your Fyora joke. I'm glad you pointed it out!

I wonder how many victims that hidden character count has claimed. Experience taught me ages ago to always copy a large post before hitting send (or anything I post on Neopets because I can never predict what will trigger the filter), but I bet there have been people who didn't take that precaution and had the end of their post eaten like bracket in front of a winky face.

And we know how hungry is...
mavegibson, July 19, 2022 11:23 PM NST
LOL yeah, everyone's nose is always clean except 'the perceived opponent'. The earth turns, the sky is still blue, and next week we'll have all forgotten this discussion.
apophis324, July 19, 2022 11:28 PM NST
The sky is blue? THE SKY IS BLUE?! Good sir/madam/person, I feel you are mistaken and I am deeply offended by these accusations!

(That was a joke. I hope it is clear that was a joke.)
pinkie_2525, July 21, 2022 12:11 AM NST
so what lmao the dude bro clearly said the community has *some thing* worse than covid

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