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Dave
Sad News
  • Posted by Dave
  • Posted on March 8, 2015, 10:08 am NST


I have some sad news to report. Early Friday afternoon, most of The Neopets Team was laid off. According to our source, there are only a handful of programmers left, along with the support team and the monitor team. This is why we did not get news on Friday, and why the NC items released over this weekend do not have images.

We are unsure what Jumpstart's plans are going forward, especially with the app they just released, but the TNTers that have made Neopets what it was over the past 15 years will not all be part of it.

The JN Staff would like to give all of TNT a big thank you and congratulations on an amazing 15 year run. Despite a little complaining along the way, Neopets shaped a lot of us. (Who knew a web game from 1999 would be online in its original form in 2015??) Best of luck to all of the TNTers looking for new jobs!

Edit: To clarify, no, Neopets is not closing anytime soon that we have heard. However, with all of the people who were creating the content gone, it likely will not be the same Neopets we've all come to know and love (and complain about ). You can't simply have new employees come into the mix and expect them to know how the Altador Cup works or who Dr. Sloth is without a lot of prep and training.

That being said, this post was made so that the Neopian public could be made aware of what is happening and decide on what they would like to do going forward. We thought that the paying customers in particular (Premium subscribers and NC buyers) should know this information and decide on what purchases they would like to make in the future.

UPDATE: Statement from Jumpstart: (9 Mar 2015 - 12:35 pm)

The CEO of Jumpstart, David Lord, has released a statement relating to the current state of Neopets. This has been posted in TNT's Official Message Board, as well as on Facebook.

To our Neopets Members and Community:

Unfortunately, a recent restructuring of our resources means a number of respected employees working on Neopets are no longer with the company. JumpStart appreciates each and every one of our employees, and it was a sad day to have to say goodbye to our friends. While it's disheartening to see team members leaving the company, we are incredibly thankful for everything they have done to create Neopets.com and the passionate community that surrounds the site.

Moving forward, we want to make it absolutely and unequivocally clear that we are committed to Neopets! Neopets is NOT CLOSING in any way. To the contrary, we plan to produce new content, update the site, and dedicate valuable resources towards improving site functionality, including lag and site stability. In fact, the recent launch of Neopets Ghoul Catchers on the iTunes and Facebook platforms confirms our dedication to launching new and exciting content for existing and new Neopets users.

As we move forward and establish new goals for Neopets, we want the community to know that we are fully committed to the success of Neopets. We will work to support, improve and expand Neopets with our best resources and most creative minds. We thank you for your unwavering support of Neopets and we believe you will be as excited about the future as we are.

We wish all of the amazing former Neopets team members the very best life has to offer and we are grateful for their time at Jumpstart.

- David Lord, CEO of JumpStart

He is adamant that Neopets is NOT closing, and that resources will be spent improving site stability (the lag), as well as creating new content. While this unfortunately means we have lost The Neopets Team as we once knew them, Jumpstart will hopefully be working tirelessly over the coming weeks and months to produce new and exciting ways to keep the Neopets we love alive.
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recklesse, March 8, 2015 10:10 AM NST
Very sad indeed.

I wish the staff all the best for the future.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:12 AM NST
So sad...

As much as I complained about Neopets in the past year, it was great until then... And the complaining was mostly just a desire to see it return to its former glory. I don't see that being possible at all now.
nclvr619, March 8, 2015 10:15 AM NST
I've heard rumors everywhere that neo might not be with us much longer... hopefully that's not true because ive been with neo for most of the 15 years and spend a lot of money on NC over the years... I know the cant refund anyone if they do but it still upset me...
gabtena, March 8, 2015 10:16 AM NST
And so we say goodbye to neopets...
mollyscribbles, March 8, 2015 10:16 AM NST
This is a very bad sign. It feels like every game I'm on is closing down; I don't have an iphone and I'm not really interested in app games, but that's what every site seems to be switching to now.
shroomy, March 8, 2015 10:17 AM NST
It's sad hearing this happened to the people responsible for such a hefty chunk of my life.

I wish them all well and the best of luck.

ah.. I'm tearing up now....
vincent7577, March 8, 2015 10:18 AM NST
Right after the daily faerie quests and the reduced Fortune Cookie costs.

To the very last dollar, my friends. To the very last dollar.
ctp02, March 8, 2015 10:19 AM NST
Sooo... Is gonna end like this? Kinda Sad.
wolfheartmoon, March 8, 2015 10:19 AM NST
I'm saving all my pets to my computer. Learning this has put me into paranoid mode. Well, at least I finally got my dream pet thanks to a FFQ. *sighs*
jawsch - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:19 AM NST
<3
sawkinator2, March 8, 2015 10:19 AM NST
I'm panicking that this will be the end of Neopets I've spent half my life with this website - what would I do without it??

Not to mention this is just kind of a move on JS's part. All these people will have to find new jobs now, and who knows how easy that will be with the economy as it is.

None of this is looking good at all.
sailorganymede, March 8, 2015 10:20 AM NST
I'm scared, frightened and confused, someone hold me.
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 10:20 AM NST
Big thanks to TNT, if any of them see this. I've been an active player for over 14 years now (and REALLY active - I've at least logged on to feed my pets almost every single day since I created my account, minus only a handful of internet-free vacation days). So, thank you for being a big part of my life, and good luck in the future.
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 10:20 AM NST


This went South. JumpStart has proven worse that Viacom and Doug Dohring combined.

They're destroying the very thing that was so precious to my childhood.
yukidaviji, March 8, 2015 10:21 AM NST
This is most likely the reason I've been waiting for 3 days to get my rewards from Ghoul Catchers.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:21 AM NST
*sighs* I think I'll be cancelling my Premium before May.

Thank you, Dave. Thank you for posting this. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Jellyneo will always hold a dearer place in my heart than even neopets has been, especially because of what's been going on as of late.

It's good to know, and this is heartbreaking. It's much better to know than not to know, though.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 10:23 AM NST
This is the end of the site. I don't even know what to say. I've been mad at the staff time and again, but like Nick, but mostly because I would like to see the site as it once was.

But then it occurred to me that maybe we've all been delusional this whole time. Even if the site was made exactly the way we wanted it, would it still be fun? We've all grown up; it wouldn't be the same, or what we remembered it as.

Either way, Neopets has meant so much to me, so I'm very sad to see it end like this. However, the site will never truly die for me until I decide to do away with the continuity and characters I've created with my friends, something I will never do. This continuity and the characters involved in it are to me the greatest thing I or my friends ever did on Neopets. So Neopets may die, but Scorto, Toady, Blumu, and all the other great characters we created will live on forever.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:24 AM NST
To clarify, the site is not shutting down... We just don't know how it will continue on with such a small amount of staff. Lots of things will inevitably need to be cut, even more than already has been, and that will likely drive users away even more.
cdrex22, March 8, 2015 10:25 AM NST
Always possible that they just have plans for a complete remake with new staff. But still, very upsetting news.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:25 AM NST
Good thing my Premium ends in may. *laughs bitterly* The content's been going downhill for years, I suppose. Should've seen the end when they redrew Mossy Rocks. I don't care for a lot of the newer art, there isn't anything in terms of pets I really dream of, would've liked to get that red Korbat out of pound_release before the end, though.

I loved this site, though. No matter what I could find to complain about and have been bitter about, it's because at the heart of it all I love neopets.

Neopets has held a place in my heart since I was eight years old, and through years of memories I still would rather have it open in this state than closed forever. So be it, though.
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 10:25 AM NST
To clarify, the site is not shutting down...

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Not immediately, no. But at this pace, it's steadily sinking into it's grave.
nemi, March 8, 2015 10:26 AM NST
This worries me. Neopets will not be the same without them, I'm sure. Their personality and humour is all over this game making it what it is and I'm not sure I want to see what becomes of Neopets without them. I wish them all luck and I hope they all go on to greater things.
And I think I'll stay away from buying any NC for at least a year so I can see what the actual result of this is before I give them any more of my money...
khaytra, March 8, 2015 10:26 AM NST
I don't think this means the end of Neo, to be honest. Jumpstart is the one who helped them really bring together Ghoul Catchers, right? I doubt JS would dedicate their resources to Neo only to completely cut it less than seventy-two hours after the launch of it. That's just bad business. (Although, buying something like Neopets might not have been a masterstroke either... )
If JS restocks TNT with new employees, it might be a very good thing. Honestly, most of us were becoming very frustrated with the team and how the site was (or wasn't) developing and progressing. The team just wasn't right for the site anymore.
So this might not be too bad.
Or, it could be really bad and signal the end, and I'm just a delusional optimist.
Either way, a massive thank you to the team that has been with me since I was about 10. Your site has been with me for half my life. Thank you for all that you did <3
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:27 AM NST
Nick, darling, if anyone knows how I can volunteer there while living nowhere near California, let me know. lol *munches on a Mossy Rock*

There's been little new content that I've fallen in love with in a while, so I suppose I can live without new content. I'd be alright with that.

Would still love the neopian times to be back, but I suppose I can live with just the neoboards and what's remaining of the site I love. I mean, I'm still in love with Classic Neohomes and there's been NOTHING new there in years and years - yet I still love and enjoy them from the bottom of my heart.
shad0wofadoubt, March 8, 2015 10:28 AM NST
Perhaps if they devoted more of their time to pleasing their users rather than the NC Mall more interest would have been generated by the community, and we wouldn't be in this situation.

Let's be honest though. We knew this was going to happen after Snarkie left. You just don't up and leave a job that you clearly love after so many years.

I'm predicting the site ends up like something similar to Club Penguin and it quickly falls apart.

R.I.P.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:29 AM NST
@khaytra: Even without Neopets.com, JumpStart will still own the Neopets intellectual property as well as Ghoul Catchers. The game and any other games they choose to make using Neopets' intellectual property can exist in their own space without the website behind it.

Personally, I wouldn't want anything to do with Ghoul Catchers if it weren't for Neopets.com, though... but you can read my review on that through the other news post.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:30 AM NST
Ooh, guys, does this mean there WON'T be any more new NC items?!?!?!?!?!? *party emoticons of all sorts* ... If it does then I can be happy with this.
petodiepet, March 8, 2015 10:30 AM NST
Lay offs are not firings. Lay offs mean the company is not employing people at this time for the positions they filled.

just sayin'...
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:33 AM NST
I'm expecting something similar to what happened with Petpet Park... No updates for months with no response from support. The site goes completely stale and then suddenly, one day, possibly a great while from now, a message is posted saying that the doors have closed. :/
gabtena, March 8, 2015 10:33 AM NST
you cant see userlookups anymore, btw..
kelsyjones, March 8, 2015 10:33 AM NST
This is very unfortunate... Best of luck to TNT in finding new jobs. I'm really hoping that the release of the new app means Jumpstart isn't giving up on the site entirely.
nclvr619, March 8, 2015 10:33 AM NST
I remember when I was 8 and my mom had to make an account for me (even though I think you had to be 12??? ) anyway she had to make my pw my name so I didn't forget... (its not that anymore of course :p ) but I remember calling my best friend who was also a die hard fan so we could play all the games together and eventually Key quest came and we'd play for hours... man this was my entire childhood. please don't let it end. I feel like my little pixel pets are my children and it makes me sad to think I wouldn't have them anymore.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:34 AM NST
@nick: Oh, Heavens, not a repeat of Petpet Park. *sighs and munches on a Fashion Fruit*

Time to start taking screenies of EVERYTHING, JoIsle! *twitchy eyeed emoticon*
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:34 AM NST
NC and Premium are sunk costs. I paid for the fun I had and to support the site at that time. Even though I'm a bit annoyed my premium renewed last month, I'm not going to regret the money spent for the fun times that were had.

As far as the future, I hope they put the brand they bought to good use. Whether that's more apps or a whole new site in a couple years, who knows, but I don't want to see this all go to waste.

Hopefully the site at least lasts through the end of the year. In a perfect world, I'd want to see the site stay up until they just flip a switch over one day to a new Neopets on a completely from scratch codebase (aka not still using 1999 code ).

All we have right now is hope.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:36 AM NST
@labpartnerincrime: I'm done with hope.

*munches on fashion fruit and believes in Nick's view because that's what happened to sites I've loved in the past*
pikachu315111, March 8, 2015 10:36 AM NST
I post my thoughts on the NTWF here:

http://ntwriters.proboards.com/thread/51711/out-why-site-laggy?page=1&scrollTo=2643351

I don't know what else to say, I can't believe this has happened. I can only hope that Neopets can sort of "restart" by first stabilizing and then working its way back up (sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before going back up, as they say).

I just want to thank all of TNT who had made the site as it is and hope those who were laid off could find work (and maybe come back when things have improved). I complained, but only because I cared and wanted to see the site be the best that it can.

As for all of us left, I suggest everyone to buckle done, this is going to be a VERY bumpy ride.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 10:36 AM NST
oh my gosh this is just.

How will Neopets go like this, I wonder... it's not just Neopets, too, all those friends I have
yukidaviji, March 8, 2015 10:36 AM NST
I've heard on the boards they lost the code for KQ, which is why they haven't put it back up. There's nothing to put back up anymore.
ixchel, March 8, 2015 10:37 AM NST
I've been on Neopets for almost 13 years now. I would be devastated to lose my pets and petpets that I've had in almost all that time.

This is really sad news, and happenings of late don't give me much hope.

Best of luck to everyone from the TNT staff who isn't there anymore.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:37 AM NST
@yukidaviji: At this point even if they had the code, I don't think it's coming back. *sighs* Sorry to hear about that, though, love. I always think of people being much more attached to it than I am.
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:42 AM NST
Wait, do we have a confirmed source, or is it still Nynex's blog and snarkie's tweet? I need figures! I need names!
logicalwhimsy, March 8, 2015 10:43 AM NST
This is awful. I had a horrendous feeling that when Jumpstart took over Neopets that they were only interested in the intellectual property and trademarks encompassed by the brand and not continuing Neopets in its current form. I mean, to properly maximise the return from such an acquisition you need to cut costs... this is cutting costs in the most brutal way. I may be the type of person who shows their affection for a subject by moaning about it (it's why I always consider apathy more dangerous than negativity - when someone looses interest it's hard to recapture their imagination) but this has genuninely upset me. You don't treat people like this. SIGH. Good luck in the future, guys!
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:44 AM NST
@kouza: Lots of facebook posts from what I've heard.

http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=156922341&next=21

Nick's got some posts on this board, I got the link from a board on Charter.
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 10:46 AM NST


So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the internet, a little boy or girl and his Neopet will always be playing.
poppysunnyseed, March 8, 2015 10:46 AM NST
Things are looking pretty bleak. Bummed for the staff who are laid off. Things are going to get shadier... I tell myself I play these kinds games for the ride, but neopets is dear to my heart.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:46 AM NST
@logicalwhimsy: I like your opinions, love. I like your views, and I think I'll try and remember that about negativity and apathy.

I never thought about that about them doing that with the site, I just thought it'd close eventually one of these days. *sighs* This is everything coming to a crash, just... *sighs* Best to know now, and I suppose this is what I need to find closure either way.
dave - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:47 AM NST
@kouza: Our source is a (now former) TNT staff member who sent us a short message on Friday. I'm not naming names as a courtesy. I was going to wait until Monday to post on JN to see what happened and if JS would say anything... but since rumors fly fast, I decided to post earlier.

Overall, things sounds very unclear on how we'll be seeing any new content in the future.
neoskulltula, March 8, 2015 10:47 AM NST
I don't know how I feel about this. As a BDer I have an extreme bias against how the site was run since 2005 but I recognize a lot of these people weren't part of that. And even if they were, say, part of the council that decided on the Difficulty system, I hate to see anyone lose their job.

All I can really say is the site seems hollow now. Wasn't there a staffer on maternity leave? I hope they have their position still.
angelcat96, March 8, 2015 10:47 AM NST
I'm shocked, just shocked. I can't believe that the most of the TNT that I knew of got laid off. I've played for a little over ten years and almost all of them are now just gone. Utterly shocked.

On the note of Neopets going belly up, I don't think it'll happen for a few months, if it happens at all. Jumpstart only recently bought Neopets and it's to soon after their purchase to quit. Jumpstart will give it the old college try before they give up and lose that much money. And they only just released that new app, so they have some sort of plans, whatever they may be. It's possible that since Jumpstart bought Neopets, they wanted to clean house and get fresh faces and ideas in the office. We really can't know why, unless they tell us. But I don't think that Neopets' time has come to end yet. But I just may be overly optimistic. Just my two cents.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:48 AM NST
@poppysunnyseed: Maybe not with the lag at the moment and when the site closes... But: *feeds Princess_Maria714 some Lemon Jelly and decorates our classic neohome for her* *sighs* *hugs my little badly named pets and plays with my other pets*
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:50 AM NST
@neoskulltula: Droplet's on maternity leave. I hope she comes back - Princess_Maria714, SERIOUSLY, I submitted two comics recently! *sighs*
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 10:50 AM NST
Kouza, I'm with you. I can only find Snarkie's Tweeter and Nynex's page...
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:52 AM NST
All I can really say is the site seems hollow now. Wasn't there a staffer on maternity leave? I hope they have their position still.
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She was the Neopian Times editor, but I doubt she's a necessary employee. The NT isn't essential and requires quite a bit of work. It's disappointing to think that they might have sprung this on her during maternity leave, but all the employees seemed to be blindsided by it one way or another.
jadedone23, March 8, 2015 10:53 AM NST
I have to say that I'm not surprised. Neo has been going downhill for a while. This just feels like the nail in the coffin.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:54 AM NST
@nick: *sighs* Might as well play the NeoAdventure Generator instead. *sighs*

Better that she's on maternity leave, I guess... *sighs*

*sighs* Oh, Nick, I don't know what to do. I guess you're right.

But I did submit comics to the times after all these years and now they're never getting any recognition on the site.
yukidaviji, March 8, 2015 10:55 AM NST
I wish they had given them some notice about it. They might have been able to set the site up or fixed somethings or given us a warning before they left.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:56 AM NST
@nick: Do you think Herdy would want to start his own neopian times on Jellyneo? *cough* *sips tea miserably* He's, like, the best neopian times writer ever (everyone else who writes is amazing, too, don't worry - I just like to idolize him) and, well, he probably has tons of more stories written and he runs the book of ages, so if Jellyneo were to, you know - run a neopian times? 0:-)
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 10:56 AM NST
I wish they had given them some notice about it. They might have been able to set the site up or fixed somethings or given us a warning before they left.
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You do know that they just stop supporting Chinese version of the site suddenly, right?
Oh no you don't, cause they don't even mention that to you guys!!
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:57 AM NST
@lucy_haha: I think they did that to the Dutch version of the site recently, too. Someone on the Charter commented on that because they submitted to the Dutch poetry contest a lot, apparently.
fenix, March 8, 2015 10:57 AM NST
If the NT goes under, then that's it.

The editorial is our remaining best communication link to staff and insight.
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 10:59 AM NST
Neopets will only truly have left the internet when none here are loyal to it.
fenix, March 8, 2015 10:59 AM NST
And I'd edit the news post to include that there will no longer be support or updates in other languages. That was shadily done as well.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 11:00 AM NST
I think they did that to the Dutch version of the site recently, too. Someone on the Charter commented on that because they submitted to the Dutch poetry contest a lot, apparently.
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Yea, they stopped supporting Chinese and Dutch at the same time.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 11:01 AM NST
And I'd edit the news post to include that there will no longer be support or updates in other languages. That was shadily done as well.
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Oh haha.
I mean, Chinese and Dutch did get the notice before this.
HAHA.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:01 AM NST
@fenix: I forgot about the editorial. That's right.

We also need an update on our news saying they aren't supporting the site in our language.

@lucy_haha: Thank you. That's good to know. *sighs*
sosoeuso, March 8, 2015 11:02 AM NST
If only Jumpstart could be more straightforward with us, and lay on the table what are their plans, maybe I'd not be so scared. But.... I can't tell what will happen to Neo, I'm definitely scared of what could happen.
perpecta, March 8, 2015 11:02 AM NST
Neopets will close? CLOSE? for real? I can't believe this ;-; I play since I was 10, now I am about two months to 21, this is half of my life.

I can't believe, this must be a bad time but not a end, not
rodgerflint, March 8, 2015 11:04 AM NST
English, Spanish, and French are the only languages active...German's "being improved"...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:04 AM NST
@sosoeuso: We wouldn't be in this mess (and nor would the laid off staff have been) if they would've just been like that.

@perpecta: Maybe not, but everyone is in agreement that it probably will.
pikachu315111, March 8, 2015 11:04 AM NST
Should we consider trying to archive things?
plushielynis, March 8, 2015 11:05 AM NST
Who could have ever thought JumpStart could be more evil that Viacom?

I hope everyone laid off is doing okay!!
rodgerflint, March 8, 2015 11:05 AM NST
...and now the site is stuck in bloody German for me.
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 11:07 AM NST
...and now the site is stuck in bloody German for me.

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I'm sorry, I found that funny. All you have to do is change to English again.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
@lucy
Yus, yus. :p
But it's still important for players to be aware of that too. It still counts as cut content in my book.
rodgerflint, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
I'm sorry, I found that funny. All you have to do is change to English again.

I tried that. Every time I load or reload a page after changing back to English, it just reverts.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
To be honest I belive this is just to much paranoia, I mean we already know some staffers where out when JS bought the site, and maybe I don't fully understand the term "laid off" but a company usually has plans when they cut off emploeys.... Also the site was going downhill when Viacom started, so maybe JS just wants to take everything related out... We don't even know how was the relationship between the staff and the current/past owners..
rodgerflint, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
The site is lagging so hard even language changes won't stick :|
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
@rodgerflint: Try changing it at the NC Mall, that's worked for some people.

@pikachu315111: I think jellyneo should, if anyone were to.
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 11:08 AM NST
Oh. I know it has a one click lag. (going from Japanese to Italian to English will keep it on Italian)
neoskulltula, March 8, 2015 11:10 AM NST
stoneman3x > herdygerdy


Just kidding. But back when herdy was getting enough trophies to pass him, I had this hope he would come back and race herdy to 500 wins.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 11:11 AM NST
@fenix
That's why I was confused when I didn't see JN say anything about this at all.
mavegibson, March 8, 2015 11:11 AM NST
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Gah, this is heartbreaking news. My best wishes to all the TNT staff who made the site what it is for so frickin' long. I am going to miss you all so much!

I can't even get my head around this. If the site closes I will genuinely cry my eyes out.
yellowbluerainbow, March 8, 2015 11:11 AM NST
I was hoping today was magically April 1st... I've been on Neopets for 3/4 of my life. I really hope things will improve with the site soon.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 11:13 AM NST
Try changing the language in NC mall, also try the NC mall version Scarab page. If not, change the language twice or just clear the cookie.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:13 AM NST
@escrainus
There's enough compelling evidence to make a logical inference.

So far, it is confirmed that Comastar and Viola were let go. Can be seen in comments on Snarkie's tweet.
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 11:14 AM NST
Maybe on April 1st, they'll surprise us with the best site EVAR that has been silenting lurking and that's why we have such lag
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 11:14 AM NST
Spell fail: silently
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:14 AM NST
The timing of it all plus no Friday news (Comastar was in charge of the news writing, among other tasks) is enough compelling evidence for what happened.
auraichadora, March 8, 2015 11:16 AM NST
I still don't believe (or refuse to) that the site is closing down. Laying off/firing people is not the same as shutting down the site. Call it stupidity, call it desperation as without Neo I have nothing to do and no one to talk to throughout the week, or whatever you want, but that's just me.
bladesmccoy, March 8, 2015 11:16 AM NST
Well it's been fun but my time with Neopets is now over. That was a crap move for JS to do and I will not support their site going forward. Good bye everyone and to the Neopets team I salute you for making the last 11 years of my life a little more entertaining.
tamora, March 8, 2015 11:18 AM NST
This has been such a big part of my life for 14 years. I'll miss the community and all the fun I've had.
cinnamon_girl, March 8, 2015 11:18 AM NST
I'm so sorry for all the staff that was fired .

I've been playing since I was 13. I'm almost 28 now... I always thought the site would evolve and grow with the times. I started getting worried a few years ago when it didn't really develop anymore and just content was added. I'm not ready to let go, I really hope this is just about getting new people in to change things but keep it the same old Neopets as well...
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:18 AM NST
@fenix: well, I've heard for a long time the phrase " neopets is closing, is going downhill" just like " the end of the world" that unless there is an official message from the site that it is closing ( we only know a cut/change of staff) I belive nothing...
lovely_anais, March 8, 2015 11:19 AM NST
Poor people.
I really hope they will get a new job soon.
In the last time I ranted from time to time because of the bugs and lags, but I did only because I wanted to see the site without this annoying things. I wish you all the best.

I hope that JumpStart will think not once, not twice, but many times before they shut down the site. I think the site have many potential (not only intellectual property) and with the proper rebuild the site will shine again in all it's glory.
I think we are all ready to renew our Premiums, and show off our Credit cards when we will be sattisfied with twat the site will offer to us.
As I said before and I think I am not the only one, I am on the site for +10 years not because of the games but because of the pets and the community. I think they should be aware of that.

Out there are many good games but guess what...they have my attention for few days, maybe months and then they are all forgoten.
Well Neopets was and will never be forgotten.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 11:20 AM NST
Maybe on April 1st, they'll surprise us with the best site EVAR that has been silently lurking and that's why we have such lag
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1st April: Glad to be with you guys for so many years! This is the last update of the site and we miss you all!

And everyone knows this is the true prank.
lovely_anais, March 8, 2015 11:20 AM NST
-c-
On the side note...I think JN could be a great new Neo owner.

And now, lets hope for the best.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:21 AM NST
@escrainus
That's just it though, the site IS NOT closing.
But the dismissal of old staff is a sign of restructuring taking place.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 11:23 AM NST
If the site really does close, will Jellyneo still be around to relive the memories?
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:23 AM NST
It is common business practice for a new company to clean house and bring in people who will complete their new vision. It's far easier than trying to persuade the old company's staff to make changes.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 11:24 AM NST
Is there any way to archive our favourite games?
beans, March 8, 2015 11:25 AM NST
Crap. I think I've been telling myself for a while this day is coming but I didnt actually expect it to. Crap.
gordy_777, March 8, 2015 11:26 AM NST
I would say something bad about this... but to tell you the truth, I haven't been a regular user on the site in ages. I can only look back and remember what might have been...

If this truly is the end, I'll never forget any of it, and I guess I'll have to thank all of the staff for it. But I hope it isn't, as this site is just too big of a childhood memory to see taken out back, and shot.

Not to mention, this is all happening on my birthday...
gordy_777, March 8, 2015 11:26 AM NST
I would say something bad about this... but to tell you the truth, I haven't been a regular user on the site in ages. I can only look back and remember what might have been...

If this truly is the end, I'll never forget any of it, and I guess I'll have to thank all of the staff for it. But I hope it isn't, as this site is just too big of a childhood memory to see taken out back, and shot.

Not to mention, this is all happening on my birthday...
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 11:26 AM NST
Azienskieth!
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:27 AM NST
Ain't it all too convenient that the files for KQ were suddenly 'lost' back during the transition?

I really suspect that was intentional.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 11:27 AM NST
*hides* Apparently, I'm famous!
yooo_danhel, March 8, 2015 11:28 AM NST
Okay, I'll give Jumpstart a chance to play it well until June. Should they fail, it'd be time to part goodbye.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:29 AM NST
@fenix: I know the site is not closing... Maybe my original post wasn't clear.. And a restructuring is not always bad, maybe they whant fresh ideas and for that they need new/younger staff, maybe TNT didn't want to make changes, Who knows?... Hope the staff that was laid off gets new jobs.. But I can see why JS would want to replace part of the staff..
neoskulltula, March 8, 2015 11:29 AM NST
Are you tamora dawn?
sosoeuso, March 8, 2015 11:29 AM NST
Let's just hope it's nothing.

Let's just hope it'll all just get cleared up Monday morning.

Let's just hope it was just a misunderstanding.

Let's just hope...
sandy2671, March 8, 2015 11:30 AM NST
I need a hug. I am clinging on to hope the sight doesn't go down due to business, but there is always a chance that JS is changing Neopets into something else with the same name. They better not.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 11:31 AM NST
My main account is nearly half my age. My Neopets are older than all my pets, nieces, nephews, some cousins. I've had my neopets longer than I've known my husband. I've put a lot of time into this site. An embarrassingly huge amount of time. My little sister and I used to get into real arguments, crazy long feuds, over computer time so we could play flash games with our pets.

It will be SO SAD if they shut this site down.

What I foresee happening is Knowledge Adventure closing the website, and using the intellectual property in their terrible CD ROM games, mobile apps, etc.

What makes it SO sad, is I know that if a group of Neopets fans with the money, time, and knowledge took over this site could live forever. Maybe new features wouldn't update so often. Maybe The Neopian Times would go to a quarterly publication... Maybe plots and events would be few and far between... But I just KNOW that if someone who loved the site took over things would be different.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 11:32 AM NST
Also, let's not forget what this means to JellyNeo and other sites like it... The JN staff have worked INCREDIBLY hard putting this entire website together.... Without Neopets.com, what will become of Jellyneo?
demi_, March 8, 2015 11:33 AM NST
Ugh. Just ugh.
This site encouraged me to write. Seven Shadow of the Xweetoks stories later and I have a solid love for storytelling.
I desperately hope I can publish my last Neopian Times series. I'll submit it as soon as I can, but things are looking grim.
eevers, March 8, 2015 11:34 AM NST
Can you please make a statement clarifying that this doesn't necessarily mean anything for the site itself. People are all over neo saying that "JN said neo is shutting down"
I know that's not true, but the depressing tone of this message is giving people that impression when really, no one knows WHAT is going to happen.
sarakiima, March 8, 2015 11:35 AM NST


I just got back into Neopets last August...since having my daughter I found it to be a nice break from the everyday. I truly hope that it isn't the slow decent to the end. Is there any chance it could keep running and get better??? This is so...terrible..it feels like a world is ending..
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:35 AM NST
Maybe JellyNeo could become JellySubeta. We do have gelatin creatures! xD

I kid, i kid.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:36 AM NST
I have a PSA thread up on the HC, specifically stating the site is not closing down.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:37 AM NST
I support the idea of JN clarifying that the news are only staff related and that they hace no news about the site shooting down
cinnamon_girl, March 8, 2015 11:37 AM NST
*hugs everyone who needs a hug*
recklesse, March 8, 2015 11:38 AM NST
the depressing tone of this message is giving people that impression when really, no one knows WHAT is going to happen.
persona_non_grata, March 8, 2015 11:39 AM NST
#NeopianApocalypse
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:39 AM NST
Is there any chance it could keep running and get better???
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There is always a chance, however slight it might be... But logically, it doesn't seem like it could work out that way. The odds are definitely not in the site's favor at this point.

But like I said... There's always /some/ kind of chance at least.
reconnection, March 8, 2015 11:39 AM NST
Maybe JellyNeo could become JellySubeta. We do have gelatin creatures! xD
-x-
Haha.. hahaha... JellySub.
elbandito999, March 8, 2015 11:40 AM NST
this is a very sad day

I guess no good thing lasts forever...
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:40 AM NST
It's only natural and expected that people automatically assume the site is meeting its demise.

We're reactionary by fault, but that's why it's important to make sure everyone is reminded that Neo is not closing.
rhino_loupe, March 8, 2015 11:41 AM NST
What an irresponsible post, JN. You make it sound as if the site is going down, and causing panic on the forums. They're shuffling staff around, that's all.
gabtena, March 8, 2015 11:41 AM NST
Maybe JellyNeo could become JellySubeta. We do have gelatin creatures! xD
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well, we did get JellyMara once haha
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:42 AM NST
Haha.. hahaha... JellySub.
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We all live in a jelly submarine
Jelly submarine, jelly submarine...
recklesse, March 8, 2015 11:42 AM NST
the depressing tone of this message is giving people that impression when really, no one knows WHAT is going to happen.
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(my computer refreshed for some reason, sorry)

I don't think there's any way to convey this message without being depressing. No one knows what is going to happen, mainly because JumpStart resolutely maintain a wall of silence.

If they don't want rumours to fly they should try posting something somewhere.
persona_non_grata, March 8, 2015 11:43 AM NST
Yeah I doubt Neopets is closing. JS has had it like what, a year? They probably feel they can get some people in there who will better run the site. For any business to drop what I'm sure was at least $1 million down the drain is stupid.

They probably want to go in a different direction, and they want new people to take them there.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:43 AM NST
@gordy_777: Happy birthday, darling. *hands you tea and fish cake and anything imaginary that I think you'll like* Darling, I'm sorry to hear that there was horrible timing with this news being released, I don't want it to make your birthday bad. Birthdays only come once a year, and things will get better in real life, at least.
winter_pony4, March 8, 2015 11:43 AM NST
I've been hearing rumors that they're trying to outsource work for Neopets. So hopefully this is just a "out with the old and in with the new" approach to the site.
gabtena, March 8, 2015 11:43 AM NST
I think it's better to get this out there and make a scandal out of it (like it should: lots of people losing their long time jobs just like that and not knowing what they're doing with neo) so we get straight answers
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:45 AM NST
Massive layoffs and shuffling staff around are two very, very, very different things.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:45 AM NST
@persona_non_grata: I read an article offsite (friends send it to dad on Skype) and it theorized that the site was part of a transaction rather than a sale. It made sense, and seeing as I've never really heard anything of Jumpstart myself (I'm sixteen, and no, I never played any of their educational games as a child) I am not sure what to believe of their company. I don't know much about it, except I don't think that from what I've seen neopets turn into since the transition and continue to get worse, well - I don't trust that they aren't going to get rid of the site.
lovely_anais, March 8, 2015 11:49 AM NST
@ rhino_loupe

I am sorry, but JN post is only very supportive to the ex TNT staff and nothing else. Read it again!
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:49 AM NST
As far as Neopets getting new staffers, the only opening I've ever seen for JumpStart Neopets was an artist slot right after the transition on LinkedIn. Nothing on JumpStart's careers page.

That's why I'm tending to think that there won't be staffers for a while other than the key components of programmers, monitors, and support.

Maybe JumpStart has its own internal division working on a Neopets revamp, who knows, but the only public info is bad news that there's barely anyone in TNT.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:49 AM NST
Also, getting rid of the site doesn't mean JumpStart just threw away all their money. They still own the characters and all the other intellectual property and can do whatever they want with it. It doesn't have to exist in website form or even as a mobile app version of the site. They can remove all of that and make more Ghoul Catcher style games with other characters, sell books, make CD-ROMs, etc.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:51 AM NST
They could even make something like Fashion Fever where you dress up pets with the wearable artwork that already exists, but you never actually own any of the pets.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:51 AM NST
There are lots of things that can be done with Neopets even if they get rid of the site altogether.
lightsideoftheshadow, March 8, 2015 11:52 AM NST
It's been so easy to blame TNT for site issues and decisions they have made over the years but I don't think anyone wanted this. While I may not have agreed with many things along the way I still always knew that at least the people working for Neo loved it as much as I did. It is upsetting to think that has changed.

Much love, respect, and sympathy for those TNT members who have been let go. Thank you for your years of caring about the site, not just collecting a paycheck.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 11:52 AM NST
Did anyone read the credits on Ghoul Catchers? Anyone in those credits known TNT staff?

Maybe it's true that JumpStart has their own staff in mind for running the site?
dave - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 11:52 AM NST
No, Neopets is probably not going to shut down and kill the servers tomorrow.

But until Jumpstart says otherwise, I don't think it's fair to people who might want to renew their Premium subscription or purchase more Neocash to pretend the site will just continue to soldier on with "fresh faces."
onewinginthefire, March 8, 2015 11:52 AM NST
Jellyneo- you really dropped the ball by posting this here. All it did was cause panic on the boards. For all we know, they are just restructuring and plan to hire more people. This post was premature.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:53 AM NST
Why work and actually launch an app if you ate going to justo get rip off the site since the beggining?... Still evento if we can theorize and asume anything we have no confirmation.. So a clarify in the new post would help... No? Just my tought.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:54 AM NST
^what nick said. They own it, they can do whatever they want.

Hence why everyone needs to make screenshots of their achievements and for memories, as well as complete as many dream goals as possible.

Neopets may not continue to be what it is now.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:54 AM NST
It will still be there, but in a new form, to simply put it.
gabtena, March 8, 2015 11:54 AM NST
Did anyone read the credits on Ghoul Catchers? Anyone in those credits known TNT staff?
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Suzuka recognized various ex-TNT staff members on the credits.. Such lack of respect from Jumpstart...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:54 AM NST
@dave: Thank you for this post.

@onewinginthefire: No it wasn't. Dave stuck to the facts of the matter and it's good to actually KNOW these. People check Jellyneo much more than the boards.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:55 AM NST
@onewing
Actually, this news has been going around for a couple days now. It needed to be confirmed.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 11:55 AM NST
Also, I have 90 FQ cookies...

So the site HAS TO stay up for two years and three months.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 11:55 AM NST
Ugh I hate autocorrect... Hope muy last post males some sence..
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 11:56 AM NST
@Nick, I wouldn't put it past JS to use the Neo characters as they see fit either because the characters are the real cash cow, especially if they figure out ways to re-connect with their customers. BUT wouldn't it make more sense to keep someone on staff to keep back stories straight? IDK much about how the intellectual property can be manipulated (artwork, names, etc.)??
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:56 AM NST
@gabtena: Thank you for the info. It's good to know ex-staff members were helping on that. Suzuka's always been good with these things.

@Dave: What you said about NC and premium is right. Dad and my sister have been putting off cancelling for a while, Banyan's cancelled today, dad will later and I think I will be cancelling later tonight too.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:57 AM NST
@foxycleopatra: That's what we've got the book of ages for.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 11:57 AM NST
Call me insensitive or irrational, but I think this is actually a good sign. I feel for those who lost their jobs, but now the goal here is clear: either JS wants to start fresh with a much needed new staff, or the end of Neo is near, and we can all have closure soon, as much as it hurts.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 11:57 AM NST
And everyone saying that JN shouldn't have posted this: I disagree. They posted facts, they didn't make some sweeping predictions. They said they were "unsure" of the future plans... So anyone panicking about this is making their own predictions.
fenix, March 8, 2015 11:58 AM NST
@cleopatra
That, is what we call a 'reboot'--new canon to replace the old.
onewinginthefire, March 8, 2015 11:58 AM NST
@morgan:
" and it's amazing it lasted as long as it did. "
This post has a depressing and negative connotation that i think is premature. You can't deny that.

@fenix:
It has been going around where?
onerainywish, March 8, 2015 11:58 AM NST
Also, getting rid of the site doesn't mean JumpStart just threw away all their money. They still own the characters and all the other intellectual property and can do whatever they want with it. It doesn't have to exist in website form or even as a mobile app version of the site. They can remove all of that and make more Ghoul Catcher style games with other characters, sell books, make CD-ROMs, etc.

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ALL of this. People really need to understand that the "value" of neopets isn't just the website itself, but the intellectual property and other intangibles. Holding on to hope that JumpStart will keep the site exactly as it is just because they acquired it not too long ago is naive considering how businesses actually function.
onewinginthefire, March 8, 2015 12:00 PM NST
Who still uses CD-Roms...
john3637881, March 8, 2015 12:01 PM NST
I wonder what happened to Tiger Catcher. He was one of the longest lasting staffers. He was the site's art director. Do you think he was laid off?
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 12:01 PM NST
I was just curious if JS could use Jhudora in an app but make her a light faerie or something? That's what I meant by property manipulation.
fenix, March 8, 2015 12:01 PM NST
@onewing
Someone found various TNT staffers updating their social media about being laid off. Since then, people have been asking Neo's FB page, but the admin there has been clearing posts related to the incident.

Given the timing and context of it all, with lack of Friday news, it all fits logically. It doesn't require much to make an inference when you have enough supporting clues.
fenix, March 8, 2015 12:02 PM NST
Then, Snarkie's got an ominous tweet posted on Mar 6, plus word from a former JN staff, about the downsizing.
fenix, March 8, 2015 12:03 PM NST
That all but confirms what happened this past week.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 12:03 PM NST
Cleopatra-they own Jhudora. They can do whatever they want with her.
springburst, March 8, 2015 12:04 PM NST
Awww, my childhood ruined Even if this site does manage to stay alive, I don't think I'll be sticking around. Too much nostalgia.
parody_ham, March 8, 2015 12:05 PM NST
Well then.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:05 PM NST
@onewinginthefire: It isn't premature. I've felt that way for a while about neopets, and if Dave feels that way I don't see why he shouldn't have posted it.
jawsch - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:06 PM NST
To my knowledge, Tiger Catcher left Neopets awhile back.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:07 PM NST
@onewinginthefire: I'm sorry for being harsh.

@jawsch: I haven't heard about him in years. Poor love, I remember his name from that old staff competition.
dave - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:08 PM NST
Tiger Catcher remained with Viacom if I recall correctly.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 12:08 PM NST
@jawsch: Huh, is that true? I know he was still with them as late as 2013. His linkedin profile still says he works with Nickelodeon, so I don't know for certain. I always like him because he was one of the last survivors of the Sacrificers plot.
chibiaden14, March 8, 2015 12:09 PM NST
That makes me angry at Jump Start. It's horrible that they'd do that to the neopets team!!!
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:09 PM NST
@Nick, I wouldn't put it past JS to use the Neo characters as they see fit either because the characters are the real cash cow, especially if they figure out ways to re-connect with their customers. BUT wouldn't it make more sense to keep someone on staff to keep back stories straight? IDK much about how the intellectual property can be manipulated (artwork, names, etc.)??
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Neopets HQ has a "Big Book of Lore" where they keep track of that stuff, but as you may have witnessed in the past, even they don't always remember to stick to it.

But with games like Ghoul Catchers, there isn't much to it anyway. The Ghoul Catchers are just screen decorations and they don't even introduce why there are ghosts running amok.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 12:11 PM NST
I don't think I would be interested in anything "Neopets" JS would have to offer if they didn't keep character back stories, etc correct- only if it would be completely new characters. I don't mind "losing" the site as much as the content.
childlike__empress, March 8, 2015 12:11 PM NST
Donna and Adam need to come back and save the day.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 12:11 PM NST
@morganjoisle: I'm sorry I know you replied someone el se, but while dave has right to post in the way he feels or what he thinks, it doesn't means anythingh more out of staff going out, the site might close or not, it is not clear in terms of anouncess.. But the note of the news makes think that
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:13 PM NST
@onewinginthefire: It isn't premature. I've felt that way for a while about neopets, and if Dave feels that way I don't see why he shouldn't have posted it.
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After all the times that Dave told me I was being too pessimistic about the site in the past year or so, if Dave has lost confidence, I'd say that's a pretty bad sign.
kouza, March 8, 2015 12:13 PM NST
They have a big book of lore???
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 12:13 PM NST
:-(
This is truly devastating, not only for the history and fate of Neopets, but for all the hard working (despite what any overly bitter users out there have ever said) individuals who have lost their jobs (and many probably considered it more of a passion than just a job.) Thank you all for the blood, sweat, tears, late nights and coffee stains; without your wit and love, it's difficult to imagine the site continuing anything like it has ever been.

My 15th anniversary is coming up in a few weeks, more than half my life, but I suddenly don't feel very celebratory.
I hope JumpStart manages to keep things alive on the main site, mostly as it is, but I fear that won't be very sustainable now. The heart and soul of Neopets was never the IP... it was the people, both staff and users. People come and go, some never leave, and some return after time. Trying times were on us already, but this is a full on life support situation now.
It's not over 'til it's over,
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 12:13 PM NST
Thanks Nick for replying!
mischievious_man, March 8, 2015 12:13 PM NST
best of luck neopets community
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 12:14 PM NST
It's not over 'til it's over, but hope and realism can coexist.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 12:14 PM NST
Private Neopets server, anyone? LOL.... I know nothing about coding or programming, but if this was an option I'd be all over it like flies on dung!
link, March 8, 2015 12:15 PM NST
Wow, I didn't see this coming at all. Here's hoping they have a plan.
nightshadeswiftswing, March 8, 2015 12:16 PM NST
Ugh I wish I had saw this before I had just purchased NC. The site is going to crash down and I gave them money
jazleigh, March 8, 2015 12:17 PM NST
well..well... **** this is just...awful beyond all words. To think we all liked the idea of JUmpStart...now look what they have done to our site!!! Thank you TNT for the many years of service
john3637881, March 8, 2015 12:17 PM NST
I sure hope someone is taking screenies of the plots. I'm doing the Ski Lodge plot. It ended long after I joined, but it's still my favorite plot/event the site ever had.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:18 PM NST
Ugh I wish I had saw this before I had just purchased NC. The site is going to crash down and I gave them money
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Sorry to hear that, but that's what we're trying to prevent with others at least.
illusionshadow_s, March 8, 2015 12:21 PM NST


i saw people post about this last night on the boards.

i never liked js because they just wouldn't fix the lag, and although i've been told that's not easy to do, i've never seen any site that makes its users wait for pages to load, if they load at all.

and now just about all of tnt is gone.. i guess the end is near after all.

if neo goes mobile-only i'll have to quit since my phone is really just a glorified alarm clock and i refuse to change that just for neo. it's not worth it.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 12:21 PM NST
At least my wallet is gladly snickering at this news.
zeelink, March 8, 2015 12:23 PM NST
I feel gutted, honestly. I've been a player for 14 years. I've no more hope left, they got rid of all the people who knew the site and the lore well.

JumpStart, you suck.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:25 PM NST
@nick: Thank you for the kind replies. You post for all the things that I feel really need replies to when I'm not around to yell at people on the boards about NC and how they did that exact same thing at Petpet Park. *hands you tea* Thank you, thank you, thank you. I felt the need to say thank you.

@escrainus: Thank you for replying to me either way, though, love.

Although the announcement does sort of imply something about the site, I think part of it is that we're all willing to see it that way. I think Dave did the right thing, and that... That it does say something that people are reacting to it the way that we are about what the general feeling on neopets is already, that we are all worried.
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 12:25 PM NST
When snarkie left, I know her account was frozen, and then deleted. Around that time I started looking up "popular" TNT members, and noticed some (Viola, Mr. Insane, and DJ Skellington for sure) still had accounts, but the red alert at the bottom denoting their status as staff was gone. I'd wondered if they had always been like that, or if the people were gone, or one foot out the door, at that time. Guess it doesn't matter at all now, but I guess in a way it's further prepared me for this sort of thing.
I wonder what happens tomorrow as far as "news"...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:27 PM NST
@elvenfaery: I never really kept track of their usernames, but that's very good information to know. Thank you for the information.
... I wonder if there will be any news. From the sounds of it there probably won't be, and I guess we're stuck counting only on fansites like Jellyneo from now on.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 12:27 PM NST
JumpStart's "about us" page no longer lists Neopets.... I'm almost positive a couple of weeks ago it did... Correct me if I'm wrong.
nightshadeswiftswing, March 8, 2015 12:28 PM NST
Well at least I saw it at all, haha, there's that.

you guys should also post a warning that anyone discussing it/making boards on the site are having the boards deleted and getting warnings :/
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 12:28 PM NST
Neopets is still listed in the footer of JumpStart's site though.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 12:30 PM NST
@morgan: thanks to you to for your replies, I still belive the site has a chance to keep running, but I do undetstand the way all of you feel, I apologize if my replies where harsh.
boblol2, March 8, 2015 12:30 PM NST
It is said that The Darkest Faerie's name has been lost through time and that no one knows her true name. Today we uncovered that name: Jumpstart
@Dave You should rename the post to "The Darkest Faerie Attacks"
a0r10n, March 8, 2015 12:30 PM NST
*punches Jumpstart in the face*
Firstly, NOT COOL. If this is confirmed, they are gonna get a sternly written letter. I was gonna grow up and get hired into Neopets! This heralds the end of Neopets as we know it. It will continue on, but not the site we know and love. Jumpstart, I want ALL Neopets staff, in their fancy cubicles and on their computers, at 9:00 sharp! I will not stand for this atrocity!
If Neopets goes down, prepare for an unofficial replacement server to go up somewhere. The destruction of Neopia shall NOT happen! *punches*
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:31 PM NST
duhimalyse:

Look on JumpStart -> Games. Has Neopets and GC, though GC is still listed as coming soon.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 12:31 PM NST
I feel like theres no way this is true? Why would you buy a site just to watch it crash and burn?
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 12:32 PM NST
It is said that The Darkest Faerie's name has been lost through time and that no one knows her true name. Today we uncovered that name: Jumpstart

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I love you.
reconnection, March 8, 2015 12:32 PM NST
@a0r10n: I like you
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 12:32 PM NST
Yeah, I never said anything about it because I didn't want to cause pointless panic, and also because I figured that if they really were gone, maybe the only reason their accounts weren't deleted was because nobody really knew (unlike snarkie, who to my knowledge was the only one who really maintained a public persona outside of Neopets).
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 12:33 PM NST
It is said that The Darkest Faerie's name has been lost through time and that no one knows her true name. Today we uncovered that name: Jumpstart
@Dave You should rename the post to "The Darkest Faerie Attacks"

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ROFL!!
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 12:33 PM NST
If Neopets goes down, prepare for an unofficial replacement server to go up somewhere. The destruction of Neopia shall NOT happen!

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PREACH!

If you cancel Neopets, Mr. CEO, we will cancel you
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:35 PM NST
@duhimalyse: I didn't ever check their about us page, so I can't answer for certain either way.

@nightshadeswiftswing: I saw a couple of boards still up about this, but I should refresh and see if they're still there.

@escrainus: It's quite alright, and thank you for the reply again. I don't think anyone really means to be harsh today, just strong feelings, strong feelings. We feel strongly about this site, and I hope that you're right and that the site does keep running. I think it's what we all would really rather want.
nobody, March 8, 2015 12:35 PM NST
LALALAALALA

EARLY APRIL FOOLS, RIGHT?
shecreature, March 8, 2015 12:36 PM NST
Well, this is unfortunate. I needed to quit this website anyway, so it probably couldn't have come at a better time.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 12:36 PM NST
Also, why not just get rid of all the programmers and support if the whole thing was heading to be destroyed? I just don't buy it.
shecreature, March 8, 2015 12:37 PM NST
Pretty ironic about the cancelled due to lack of interest day coinciding with all this.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:38 PM NST
@a0r10n: Mom reminded me today that I wanted to work at neopets when I was younger, too. I was going to be a programmer there for a short time, like Donna, though now I think I would've been happier as a content writer. Bah, they have a couple of programmers left apparently, so maybe I still could've been hired in a couple of years. *shakes head* Ah well.

@shecreature: ... Apparently their interest. Darned Jumpstart management, give us your interest back!
illusionshadow_s, March 8, 2015 12:39 PM NST
i just noticed something- there can't be more than 200 comments? because i think i see new comments adding and older comments disappearing O_O
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:39 PM NST
@shecreature I imagine this is the most interesting March 6th ever on Neo
waning, March 8, 2015 12:39 PM NST
I hope this is not the demise. I just reached so many of my goals. I cringe thinking all that time was spent for something I can't even enjoy. I treasure my pets, it makes me so sad to think they may disappear into the void.
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 12:39 PM NST
Mom reminded me today that I wanted to work at neopets when I was younger, too. I was going to be a programmer there for a short time, like Donna, though now I think I would've been happier as a content writer.

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So many of us shared the same dream
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:40 PM NST
Also, why not just get rid of all the programmers and support if the whole thing was heading to be destroyed? I just don't buy it.
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It's obvious they don't /intend/ to destroy it, but with no content team or artists, and only a handful of programmers working to fix the ever-increasing list of glitches that they were unable to fix already, it's not likely there will be a long future for the site.

They still need to keep people around to at least attempt to fix stuff, though. Hence the programmers. They need a few monitors keeping people in line while the site is around too, and support to receive info about more glitches that pop up.
waning, March 8, 2015 12:40 PM NST
In addition I feel so bad for the staff who were laid off. They were the heart and soul of this site. Hopes of new plots and such have been squashed.
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 12:40 PM NST
It was the most truthful cancellation due to lack of interest ever.

At any rate, given how up in the air this leaves us, I'm really annoyed I can't view my user lookup for screenshots, just in case.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 12:41 PM NST
@stories: my same tought

@morgan: wish you the best too :3

Well if the site closes (hope and doubt) I have the perfect finale for my (always in redaction) fan-story of neopets...
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 12:41 PM NST
Pretty ironic about the cancelled due to lack of interest day coinciding with all this.
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HAHA IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A SICK JOKE.

*cries loudly in corner w/ tub of ice cream*
kouza, March 8, 2015 12:42 PM NST
@illusionshadow_s

Yes, the comments are capped at 200.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 12:44 PM NST
I hope the layoffs were most of the game staff and that they will create games in more used languages because no one is taught flash anymore or shockwave anymore. (still hopeful)
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:44 PM NST
There are in fact 229 comments and counting... But JN only shows the most recent 200 to save people from scrolling to death.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 12:44 PM NST
@Nick

Well, I'm going off the dangerous assumption that JS is aware that art & content are what drive the site, so they are just changing things up to improve that, albeit in a hapless manner.
eightballpixels, March 8, 2015 12:45 PM NST
@elvenfaery So Mr. Insane IS gone? He was my favorite staff member! D:

CURSE YOU JUMPSTAAAAART!

I'm not too worried tho. The end doesn't come until it comes, so I'm not going to jump the gun until things really start pointing toward the end of the site. (If they do, it's back to Flight Rising with me!)

I still have some faith in Jumpstart, especially since they've mentioned that they're pushing the site toward an older audience (from what I've heard, anyway)...an announcement like that is practically candy for darkficcers like me. Here's hoping that they can save the site after this!
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 12:47 PM NST
I still have some faith in Jumpstart, especially since they've mentioned that they're pushing the site toward an older audience (from what I've heard, anyway)...an announcement like that is practically candy for darkficcers like me. Here's hoping that they can save the site after this!
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Well one way to interpret that is that most people over the age of 13 own a cell phone.
ultimate_warrrior_x, March 8, 2015 12:47 PM NST
Well that just stinks.... I am glad a cancelled my premium last month before it renews in a few days. Phew... I am slowly giving up on the site they promised so much but since the switch it has gone worse
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 12:47 PM NST
"pushing the site toward an older audience"

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From the company that brought us the 5th grade adventures? and Math Blaster? and that little dog in the car?
boblol2, March 8, 2015 12:48 PM NST
I am disappointed. Out of all the plot characters who devoted there lives to destroy Neopia,(Dr.Sloth,The Darkest Faerie, the meetpets,ect..) Jumpstart has to destroy it. 2/10-IGN
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:48 PM NST
@illusionshadow_s: Gah, I don't like having to scroll up to read these.

@tyuio_k50: *hugs you*
ajm269, March 8, 2015 12:48 PM NST
I'm sorry for the TNT staff that have lost their jobs. They have helped make Neopets what it is for better or worse. My premium membership just renewed. Now I am wondering if it's worth having. I have played for over 10 years and have loved it. I have tried to be patient with the transition but the lag issue seems to be never ending. This staff layout does not bode well for the future of the site. You certainly can not do more with less.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:50 PM NST
@nick: So they're down to the bear essentials. *sighs* I actually approved of that idea - it would be a solution if they're replace the artists and content team with more of these staff members. The support, the programmers, a few monitors is enough for the small amount of people left at neopets until this would be fixed - if it were only temporary. That could be a solution.

I'm not going to be optimistic at this point, though, and I won't believe that they're fixing anything unless there's some official announcement that they hired more staff.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:52 PM NST
@aperkins2189: Well, with the lag, it certainly can't be aimed for a younger audience. My sister was miserable trying to get pages to load so we could cancel her premium, and certainly has no inclination to play on a daily basis at this point.
rhino_loupe, March 8, 2015 12:53 PM NST
@lovely_anais This post is causing panic in the forums. People have canceled premium, are trashing their collections and giving away pets BECAUSE OF THIS POST and its fatalist implicature. If JN wanted to hurt the site, this is how to do it.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 12:55 PM NST
@eightballpixels: I thought I heard about him being gone before this. That is a shame, though. I always was curious as to what was behind that locked door. lol

@escrainus: Aww, lol. Glad to hear some good can come of this. I have a clear ending to my "Petpet Park: the Musical" at least, because the park closed, and I didn't have any idea what would happen in the future otherwise.
tama70406, March 8, 2015 12:56 PM NST
@rhino_loupe the site is running itself into the ground, users deserve to know whats going on, and if JN has to be the bearer of bad news, well, power to them
aperkins2189, March 8, 2015 12:57 PM NST
@lovely_anais This post is causing panic in the forums. People have canceled premium, are trashing their collections and giving away pets BECAUSE OF THIS POST and its fatalist implicature. If JN wanted to hurt the site, this is how to do it.

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This separates those who are weak from those who are strong. Strength which will carry us through these trying times
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 12:57 PM NST
This separates those who are weak from those who are strong. Strength which will carry us through these trying times

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THIS. IS. NEOPEEEEEETS!
dtolsen, March 8, 2015 12:58 PM NST
What a huge bummer. Not buying anymore NC for sure. Thanks for keeping us informed.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 12:59 PM NST
Are programmers able to post any news or make announcements? Just trying to prepare for Monday...
dave - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:00 PM NST
@rhino_loupe: I canceled my premium subscription Friday, for what it's worth. Given what the former TNTer shared with us, I'm not sure how the site is going to go on.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:00 PM NST
@lovely_anais This post is causing panic in the forums. People have canceled premium, are trashing their collections and giving away pets BECAUSE OF THIS POST and its fatalist implicature. If JN wanted to hurt the site, this is how to do it.
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No one here advised such drastic measures as throwing away everything you have. If people refuse to read or choose to overreact, that's not Dave's fault. The post was made to give people fair warning.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:01 PM NST
@rhino_loupe: *waves hi from the shoutbox*
I was already planning to cancel premium anyhow, and have been trying to convince my dad and sister to for months. This is just the final - what's a good phrase? There's probably a good one, ah well. Final straw that broke the camel's back? I think that's right. It's the final thing that's breaking the back - that's pushing us into finally going through with what we were already going to do.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:01 PM NST
Cancelling premium is, however, a good idea. Not everyone has $70 to throw out the window on a yearly subscription that may not last anywhere close to that.
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 1:02 PM NST
While I agree that JN is just stating facts, and Dave even included in this news post that the future is *uncertain*, the reality is that many, many people read between the lines, or don't bother to fully read/comprehend what is stated.
Rumors spread like wildfire, and quickly get built upon with more than just the facts.
I'm personally not touching the NeoBoards with a 10' pole today...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:02 PM NST
@nick: Thank you for the fair warning. Thank you for hinting things at the shoutbox earlier too, when I was prying and worried. I'm much happier to at least know it was this that everyone is talking about. Thank you, Dave, for posting.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 1:02 PM NST
@rhino_loupe, that's like blaming watching the news for people who commit crimes. Ridiculous.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 1:03 PM NST
So this is either the end or the start or something new. hopefully the later. It would seem odd tho to buy a company for a few million then run it into the ground
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:04 PM NST
@nick: Agreed. After Petpet Park, I'm not going through with that again.

@elvenfaery: Glad to have found out what it was from here rather than the neoboards. ... Time to poke charter with a stick!!!
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 1:09 PM NST
Yeah, just to be clear, I sort of view this news post as a necessary evil. Moreso than any potential content spoiler, JN is in that unique position of having very important information, and the decision of how much can/needs to be shared without crossing a line. :/
scattergirl, March 8, 2015 1:10 PM NST
I'm sad for those staffers, and sad that this chapter seems to be coming to an end. If they're abandoning the site, (and it seems pretty clear they are if content creation is done) I actually hope they officially close the site, and not let it slowly rot away. I love the place too much and it's already been tough enough to watch the decline the past few months. I'd prefer a quick and merciful end.
a0r10n, March 8, 2015 1:16 PM NST
One thing I'd like to know... Did Altador ever find the Darkest Faerie statue? It's the only loose end I know of.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:19 PM NST
It would seem odd tho to buy a company for a few million then run it into the ground
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Unless they were only interested in the IP. Neopets are quite recognizable, after all.

They probably decided recently all of the trouble wasn't worth putting up with. Nothing good will come of this.
sosoeuso, March 8, 2015 1:20 PM NST
Nope, he hasn't, a0r10n.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 1:23 PM NST
aperkins2189 and stories2btold I agree with most if not al you too have posted.. And I bate autocorrect...

Aww, lol. Glad to hear some good can come of this. I have a clear ending to my "Petpet Park: the Musical" at least, because the park closed, and I didn't have any idea what would happen in the future otherwise.
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Well not the best resultado but.. I will take whatever comes in the best way I can, and a shame it happened that to your storie
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 1:23 PM NST
Incidentally, I've felt for the past few months that what the site could really use was more demonstrable faith from the user base. Not that the frustrations weren't warranted, or that total, unconditional support was necessary, just fewer people posting vitriolic ultimatums about "fix it or ELSE, TNT..." They knew what was at stake.
But the people in charge aren't going to just sit by, reading all the negative feedback, and do nothing. I cant truly blame anyone for speaking their mind, I just deeply wish fewer had.
Even now I worry that this news will only send more people away, more traffic and income away. It's understandable, don't get me wrong, and nobody should be compelled to stay or keep spending money, but the message Jumpstart is going to get is "it's not worth it to try".
It's a double edged sword, this type of news.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 1:24 PM NST
I would even work for free to fix the site
smartman294, March 8, 2015 1:26 PM NST
Also what will happen to jn if neopets closes?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:28 PM NST
@elvenfaery: I agree about the delicate situation/how you described that. *nods approvingly*

@escrainus: Even though the park closed, I guess I did enjoy the way the last week of the park was handled. Many friends I hadn't talked with much in a couple of years were online a lot that week, and I made really good memories and had memorable conversations with them. I got reattached, but it wouldn't have been like that if the park weren't closing. We saw the best from what we used to enjoy about the place. The park had had no new content for months and had been boring, actually, but because it was closing we made a point to visit this site and enjoy it. It was enjoyable and I got reattached. lol
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 1:28 PM NST
Has Support been laid off? I'd like to get my account back so I can live through the final days of Neo on the account that I'm proud of.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:29 PM NST
@smartman294: JN archived the Petpet Park guide, so I think they'd probably do something similar to that.
What I see as questionable is the wardrobe app, though, because that's run directly with the files. It's complicated and I'm not sure how it would work to archive. Well, since if the site went down the files might go missing at some point in the future too.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 1:30 PM NST
I feel horrible for those folks. I also feel like a schmuck for ever complaining. Their jobs are more important than me losing Habitarium or not being able to play Keyquest.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:31 PM NST
@azienskieth: Dave's post seems to imply "there are only a handful of programmers left, along with the support team and the monitor team" that the support staff are still left.

The support feels like it's been understaffed for a few months, though, so I still wouldn't get my hopes up. They're probably swamped again.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 1:31 PM NST
I'm going to stick it out with premium until the site ends. I know it's probably a waste, but wasn't paying for pixels really to begin with? I'm glad JN informed everyone so we could make up our own minds without blindly spending money on a dead site, so whatever each of us choose- best of luck.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 1:33 PM NST
@Morgan: Ah, I didn't see that. Thanks.

If one has Premium on a frozen account, and it hasn't been cancelled, does that Premium renew? That's one thing I'm worried about... A renewal for a year's subscription is coming up in April.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:34 PM NST
@elvenfaery: So be it. *sighs*
I'm in the boat of "well, they were the only ones who even had any power to fix this" ... and I think, now, the staff were probably doing their best. And they were sacked. ... *points fingers at the management, because they're the only ones left to blame*

The management were the ones who had to lay off people, and I suppose what it comes down to is whoever is making the decisions. *sighs* There's no one else left to blame at this point. There's nobody else even left, besides the absolute essentials to keep the site running.
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:36 PM NST
@azienskieth

Paypal or CC? Paypal, you can revoke access to within your account. CC, I *think* was a contact support thing, especially since PPP people kept getting charged after that went down. I think the same happens to frozen accounts.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:36 PM NST
@azienskieth: Oh, heavens, I've got access to Charter... Do you have a JN account? I don't remember off the top of my head, but I'll look around and see if I can find you the answer somewhere. It would probably say on the FAQs, but the Premium one is super outdated/confusing and has stuff about dial-up on it still.
zeelink, March 8, 2015 1:36 PM NST
I wish we could make a Kickstarter or something to buy the site back from Jumpstart.

/delusions

sigh.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:36 PM NST
@azienskieth: I mean a Jellyneo Forums account. Of course you have a jellyneo one. lol
escrainus, March 8, 2015 1:36 PM NST
@morgan: I belive if neo goles down, I will just upload a non-playable version of it (or my story) so it jus don't desappears, but I still this justo paranoria and.. Well I apologize for bringing it up again, but maybe JN shouldn't post anything so the users didnt cry havoc all over the site :/
kouza, March 8, 2015 1:38 PM NST
What's happening to Escrainus's posts?
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 1:38 PM NST
@labpartner: CC. Looks like I'll have to submit another ticket...

@Morgan: Nope, no forum account.
lucy_haha, March 8, 2015 1:39 PM NST
@azienskieth Yea. You'd better cancel the renewal manually through your bank.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:39 PM NST
@escrainus: Since the neopian times probably isn't coming back, we could use a new place to upload stories...

*pokes Herdy and Dave* 0:-) You two want to host a Jellyneopian Times someday?

It's better to know the facts, though. I know Jellyneo doesn't mean to cause havoc, but something like this feels almost inevitable, at least, that's what my gut's telling me.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 1:39 PM NST
What's happening to Escrainus's posts?

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I'm wondering this, too.
ziporen, March 8, 2015 1:40 PM NST
@Morganjoisle: I think DTI might have the customization swfs saved, but I'm not sure, so it could be possible.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:40 PM NST
Users were already freaking out on the boards, but most were ill-informed... and neoboard rules don't allow for explaining things fully.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:42 PM NST
Also, a single post on JN is easier to clear up rumors and confusion than people casually popping in and out of threads that they don't bother to read all however-many pages of, and then flip out after reading one post completely out of context.
lovely_anais, March 8, 2015 1:43 PM NST
@lovely_anais This post is causing panic in the forums. People have canceled premium, are trashing their collections and giving away pets BECAUSE OF THIS POST and its fatalist implicature. If JN wanted to hurt the site, this is how to do it.
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No one here advised such drastic measures as throwing away everything you have. If people refuse to read or choose to overreact, that's not Dave's fault. The post was made to give people fair warning.
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No rhino_loupe. The people who read AND DON'T understand the original post are the one who makes panic all over the site and JN.
I have to thank Dave, Nick and all the other JN staff to keep us WELL informed of what is going on the site which we all love.
kehny, March 8, 2015 1:43 PM NST
I wish all of them good luck... and neo too...

Does anyone think we will get any news today?
escrainus, March 8, 2015 1:44 PM NST
What's happening to Escrainus's posts?

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I'm wondering this, too.
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Thanks for your interest what happens is that I'm mexican so my hated autocorrect change words to spanish and since I belive JN comments doesn't supports accents it makes the whole post to vanish.

That is also why I have big grammar horrors.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:45 PM NST
*pokes Herdy and Dave* 0:-) You two want to host a Jellyneopian Times someday?
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It would be 99% Herdy all of the time
herdy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 1:47 PM NST
100%

Also, come back Viacom, all is forgiven.
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 1:48 PM NST
It would be 99% Herdy all of the time
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No doubt! Herdy must be convinced to do it!!!
foxycleopatra, March 8, 2015 1:49 PM NST
lol @ Herdy
briezymunester, March 8, 2015 1:50 PM NST
The original neopets was the best, before Viacom and before Jumpstart. Viacom started the downhill spiral neopets has been it so it tends to frustrate me that others suddenly 'miss' them now. I still see improvements to the site despite the lag in where is viacom made changes they never finished nor asked users about. Communication was at an all time low as well. How can anyone judge when the news or announcements haven't yet been made?
smartman294, March 8, 2015 1:53 PM NST
I'm starting to think we wait till some news before we throw in the towel
lovely_anais, March 8, 2015 1:54 PM NST
Also, come back Viacom, all is forgiven.
^
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:54 PM NST
@ziporen: That would be good. Not sure if they'd stay up after the site were to close, if it were to close, though.

@nick: With those types of boards there would be tons of posts, too. Look at the comments here, after all. lol
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 1:56 PM NST
@herdy: That is because he has the bestest stories ever!!! *jumps up and down clapping*
... Other writers are amazing, too (Spooky comics are my favourite comics ever), and I mean no ill-will by my being an obsessive fangirl over everything Herdy writes.
kikiro, March 8, 2015 1:59 PM NST
My first comment on these forums...
I want to wish the best of luck to the laid-off Neopet team members and their families, and hope you are employed quickly and suitably.
To the artists let go, you inspired me to draw and better my skills. Thank you for the thousands of items you've drawn. Thank you for the pretty customization and paint brush art. Thank you for the years of great content and the stories, and making Neopets such a great experience. If Neopets ever shuts down, whether it be in a week or a year, then I shall always remember it fondly.
chrissy, March 8, 2015 2:00 PM NST
I agree with you smartman. Personally i'll wait until they announce something officially before i cancel my premium and start making a 'memory book' of all my pets and achievements.
chrissy, March 8, 2015 2:01 PM NST
Although i did make a quick screenie of my wraith usul. I would miss him most of all if neo shut down.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 2:02 PM NST
One more thing - if they are going to shut the doors soon, and they are intentionally putting out new NC and selling the cookies for cheap, that would be reprehensible and in bad faith, imo. I worked for a company where a corporate raider came in, took what they could and shut the doors. This was a multi national, famous and historical company and it was sooo sad. I hope that JS isn't that cold. Hope.

Btw - I stupidly renewed my yearly membership last month to help prevent something like this from happeneing. Ugh - so foolish! (where's the embarrassed emoticon?)
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:04 PM NST
@lonibee06: They did that exact thing with Petpet Park. I mean, with continuing to really try to sell all the NC things and were really pushing for Membership, still giving people every option to renew through the day it closed.
iasonmink, March 8, 2015 2:04 PM NST
*hugs* to the tnt staff that got layed off, I wish you all the best --I wish you all better jobs and great lives neopets won't be the same without you all!
almost_human, March 8, 2015 2:05 PM NST
Despite all the talk, people do not seem to be giving up on Neopets. As an example; I still have not been fast enough to buy any rarer items at the shops. If people were really quitting my chances should improve, shouldn't they?
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 2:07 PM NST
People are quitting, but some of the restockers haven't given up yet. It won't be any easier until the TC is empty.
almost_human, March 8, 2015 2:07 PM NST
also. I hope all the best for those who have lost their jobs. They all deserve our thanks for years of fun. Best Wishes to them.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:08 PM NST
Also, come back Viacom, all is forgiven.
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I never really hated them. Perhaps I was delusional at the time, but I always thought the hatred towards Viacom was a bit much. Sure they had many failed ideas, but they also had plenty of decent ones. They did more with the site than Adam and Donna would have in my opinion, and I always felt like the sale to JumpStart was something to fear, not to celebrate.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:10 PM NST
Though Viacom most likely would have gotten rid of Neopets sooner if JumpStart hadn't acquired it. At least it would have gone out with a bit more glory, though.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 2:11 PM NST
I mean even if it dies it had to happen sooner or later nothing lasts forever D:
crossed_star, March 8, 2015 2:14 PM NST
Good luck, old TNT.

Neopets is probably going to go mobile-only. Sure, you can earn Neopoints in the mobile games but those could always be used for "power ups" or whatever. Hopefully at least our pets will stick around but I can't imagine them keeping the old site active when mobile games with microtransactions are so much more viable and popular.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 2:14 PM NST
@morganjoisle - that is reprehensible. Wow - I shouldn't be surprised but I am. I mean, there are people with faces and hearts behind these decisions, right? Right?
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 2:15 PM NST
I definitely would've preferred an announcement that the site was closing, with a time window and a chance for TNT to do a small good-bye event, if the site isn't salvageable (or is going in the direction of something like a mobile game hub). I'm keeping my pets fed and doing my dailies to the bitter end, though, lag permitting.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 2:15 PM NST
they are, not there are
smartman294, March 8, 2015 2:17 PM NST
@lonibee06 - there isn't in the industry it is all about money. There is no heart its just all for the greed
smartman294, March 8, 2015 2:22 PM NST
Also hasn't this been like the 20th panic now? We panicked when viacom bought neopets. we panicked when they sold it. We panicked when jumpstart bought it. I'm staying optimistic till they say the run is over.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:23 PM NST
@lonibee06: I think they felt they could get away with it. Or else, well... I don't think Jumpstart really wanted Petpet Park. Nickelodeon seemed to only be in it for the money after the first year or so. I'm not sure who's decision to put the blame on, but either of them could have potentially done some things to make it better.

Though the quality had been going downhill for quite some time, the six months or so before the park closed we started seeing absolutely no new content. Gatherings were being dropped more and more often, then they simply ceased to add them to the calendar.
ladyamethyst, March 8, 2015 2:23 PM NST
To heck with Neopets for a moment - we're talking about real, live human beings who have lost their jobs. I wish them all the best in the future & a sincere thank you for everything they have done. Kudos to you all!
peanutbutter_n_jelly, March 8, 2015 2:23 PM NST
Wow, I am absolutely stunned.

Feel like the floor just dropped out from under me when I should be celebrating reaching the ultimate strength boost for my pet.

All that training for what?
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 2:25 PM NST
I've played this game with my kids for 9+ years and it has been a fun connection as they grew up. I hope the site survives, I would be sad to see it go.

My favorite thing has been customizing my pets, so I am dressing them all up in as many fun costumes as i have time for and sending a pic of them to myself in email. At least that way I will have a record of my "fabulous fashion sense."
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:26 PM NST
and they are intentionally putting out new NC and selling the cookies for cheap, that would be reprehensible and in bad faith, imo.
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TNT didn't know they were getting laid off. It came out of nowhere for them. They just put the cookies on sale like they did every year.
draakonikihv, March 8, 2015 2:27 PM NST
Same here, I recently maxed out on defence and strength. Figured I would have a great time with the next war/ battledome event.


I'm gotten over the shock and am now in full-mode denial. It's really hard to accept.

Feel so sorry for the staff that was let go. The past year was tough on them, but this is not a vacation that they deserve.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:27 PM NST
@smartman294: You've said it more blatantly than I'd be willing to.

@lonibee06 and smartman294: I do feel it was probably more the management, though.

I don't know, though. I feel like Miriki (one of the experts) probably wouldn't have wanted to do that, but it isn't clear what all was or wasn't going on behind the scenes. The park staff was very scant on the details of what went on back there, and the only thing that was clear was that there had been no new content, and then no new gatherings.

Then there's an announcement of the site closing on NEOPETS. I heard about it from Jellyneo, but there wasn't any indication other than no updates about the park closing at Petpet Park.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:28 PM NST
@ummy: The management was probably aware, though. I know I blame them for things, but it's whoever's holding the cards at the top, just... a mix of those decisions and the decision-makers...

It's that part of business that's cruel as others have put it.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:28 PM NST
@smartman294- but in all those cases the parent company has been willing to support their investment in Neopets. This is the first time more than ever the parent company has actively deprived Neopets of what it needs to survive. There's no bright future without any artists or content, the people who made Neopets what it was. The best we can hope for is the site to remain up in it's current state.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:30 PM NST
@ummy: I suppose I should be blaming the parent company. They're the ones who are stuck hiring the management, I suppose. *sighs* I feel like someone out of Plushie Tycoon right now.

We're going the way of Petpet Park.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 2:31 PM NST
@ummy - I'm not blaming the TNT staff. It's their bosses who are milking every last penny.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:31 PM NST
There could have been a lot going wrong back at TNT HQ but they may not have been allowed to mention it. That could be why editorials were getting shorter and there was little said about the lag outside of JN. In hindsight the lack of communication by both TNT and JumpStart was a very bad sign.
zeelink, March 8, 2015 2:33 PM NST
@ummy: I think it's absolutely disgusting the way they kept TNT in the dark about the lay-offs. There is no respect for employees at JumpStart.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:36 PM NST
@ummy: I read offsite (bad of me, I know, but I at least found out where one of my friends at the Petpet Park boards got his signature relating to neopets/petpet park from) it was apparently a site that Adam and Donna were answering questions on.
There was an answer there, though, relating to editorials. The lady in question mentioned that she no longer had to be worried about legal repercussions (being yelled at by management/legal team/that type of thing, etcetera) in things relating to answering the editorial.
I know I'm bad at referencing things and don't know exact quotes, but what you said about editorials reminded me of that.
I think you're right about the editorials, though.
It was a bad sign.
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 2:36 PM NST
The layoffs make the site feel "over" even if it turns out there's some plan to keep it going with a new staff. Without the TNT I know, and with the knowledge of how they were let go, it's hard to feel affection for the site itself.
pikachu315111, March 8, 2015 2:38 PM NST
I got a question about the lay off. Did TNT know the lay offs were coming or was it a sudden thing? I ask because they way they did the lay offs could maybe hint on what JumpStart's intentions are. If TNT knew about the lay offs before it happened it could be seen that JumpStart are doing a restructuring and we don't have to worry about Neopets closing. But if the lay offs were out of the blue I would think that's cause of alarm.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:40 PM NST
@zeelink: The signs all point to that being true.

After what happened at Petpet Park (in retrospect, I suppose that all actually could have been Jumpstart's doing, with the end of it, rather than Nickelodeon's - because they announced buying the sites around the time we started seeing no new content there, well, long enough in advance that it would have made sense with the lack of things going on) I do wonder, now, if it's Jumpstart rather than whoever was heading at Nickelodeon that has made the questionable, and generally perceived as immoral decisions.

If that were to be the case, I do see this as being something those same people would do.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:40 PM NST
Even if they end up hiring new people somewhere down the road, the things we know and love about Neopets will be long gone, as the new people will have no idea what Neopets was once like. Plots? You can forget it. The last time they tried to make a plot without a staff that knew anything about Neopian plots, we got the Atlas of the Ancients... And that was through ownership with a much greater budget.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:43 PM NST
@pikachu315111: They did not know about it until approximately 30 minutes before they left work on Friday... Perhaps a few higher up ones knew and were asked to keep it tight-lipped, but otherwise they were left in the dark.
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 2:45 PM NST
Even if they were to make something under the Neopets name that turned out to be enjoyable, it will definitely not resemble the site as I came to love it now that TNT is gone. So, Friday was an ending of sorts, no matter what happens.
fenix, March 8, 2015 2:45 PM NST
A quote from an ex-TNT's status post/comment thread: 'working for Jumpstart was like slowly dying'

Guys, this quote speaks serious volume.
phenixia, March 8, 2015 2:46 PM NST
On Neopets boards, each time someone start a topic about this subject, the topic is deleted. We don't have the right to talk about it. I'm really sad to read that news. but that explain a lot of things.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 2:46 PM NST
I hope they have people now that now what they are doing
zeelink, March 8, 2015 2:50 PM NST
@Fenix. Well. That's it then.
onewinginthefire, March 8, 2015 2:51 PM NST
@fenix: where was that posted?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:54 PM NST
It was a comment made by an ex-staff member in response to their own Facebook post mentioning the downsizing. They most likely don't have an alias we know them by through tournaments.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 2:55 PM NST
@nick: Oh dear heavens THAT *cough* "PLOT" as the editorials kindly stated it. Thank neopia we'd finally pushed that mini-thing under the rug. That's the worst "plot" neopia's ever seen, and I'd consider that pretty mediocre and with horribly awarded prizes for an event, too!
pikachu315111, March 8, 2015 2:55 PM NST
@ nick:
That's not good...

@ fenix:
That's REALLY not good...

And we'll probably never know why JumpStart decided to do this. Not saying we can't make guesses, but guesses are never a good replacement for the actual reason. When JS bought Neopets everyone sounded enthusiastic, it sounded the site might return to its former glory. Then the transition happened, the lag, and now it seems like JS wants to give up on Neopets. They didn't even give Neopets a year...
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 2:57 PM NST
They didn't even give Neopets a year...
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Actually, it will be a year in about a week.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 2:59 PM NST
@pikachu: uch I know right!

VIACOM!! COME BACK!
Jumpstart hasn't even owned Neo for that long and there are so many problems. TNT acted as if it was great to be doing this but it's just ruining everything and closing down certain things, 1 reason why I had to say goodbye to Petpet Park *nods*
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:00 PM NST
A quote from an ex-TNT's status post/comment thread: 'working for Jumpstart was like slowly dying'

Guys, this quote speaks serious volume.
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This speaks SERIOUS SERIOUS volume. :O
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:01 PM NST
@fenix: That's a good quote. *tips a sunhat to them* I can feel them.
Oh, God, I wish I'd listened to intuition, but, yeah, it's felt like that playing the site, too.
neolikepets, March 8, 2015 3:01 PM NST
Viacom may have had its problems, for example they rarely came up with new ideas and they had many events like the GMC overstay their welcomes, but they hardly ever got rid of the good things that were already there.
spiritimmortal, March 8, 2015 3:02 PM NST
Ok, everybody, don't freak out, but every user profile link i click redirects me to the site's home page. Doesn't matter if it's mine or anyone else's. There's no way (for me at least) to view anyone's user profile.
persona_non_grata, March 8, 2015 3:02 PM NST
Jumpstart is hiring an artist, I see, from their now hiring page. Idk if that has something to do with Neo or not. Hopefully it does.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:02 PM NST
Ok, everybody, don't freak out, but every user profile link i click redirects me to the site's home page. Doesn't matter if it's mine or anyone else's. There's no way (for me at least) to view anyone's user profile.
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yes we all are aware by now. It's another one of those common glitches.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:03 PM NST
@pikachu315111: They bought the site in a transaction about a year or so ago. I think there might've been some survey, and there was something at Krawk day where we only started getting one pet day outfit or something, too. I forget the exact details, but someone or other around here'll know the exact dates.

From what I heard the transaction was relatively under the rug, too. I wonder if it was just Nickelodeon wanting to get rid of us, and, well, Jumpstart ended up stuck with us.
new_perspective, March 8, 2015 3:03 PM NST
Can we do a AMA request on reddit for a former neopets employee that recently got canned?
kouza, March 8, 2015 3:03 PM NST
@Fenix

Where are you people finding these posts???
nashie363comesback, March 8, 2015 3:03 PM NST
I would prefer to just wait and see. I hope it is not going to close but there seems to be mass hysteria on the boards and I don't this post has helped at all.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:04 PM NST
@spiritimmortal: I think it's been doing that for a day or two, now. Before that userlookups only loaded the header, the footer and a bit of white where the page should've been. :-/ It's been like this for a couple of days at least now.
heaveaway05, March 8, 2015 3:05 PM NST
I am still expecting a JellyNeo Negg Hunt. I have been waiting almost 2 years for one.

Thanks,
heaveaway05
smartman294, March 8, 2015 3:05 PM NST
The major problem with neo was that it was in a sense the last site of it's type. Virtual pet sites are dying and I think neo is/was the last successful one. I think the final nail in the coffin is coming
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:05 PM NST
Where are you people finding these posts???
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FB
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:06 PM NST
@spiritimmortal: It's been like that a few days. I even got a message from TNT when I made a board about it saying that they were looking into it, and that was on Friday, so it sounds like it's not supposed to be that way.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:06 PM NST
@heaveaway05: That event was always too complicated for me, but it was still fun.

*pokes JN staff* Can you guys, like, also have a neopian times run by Herdy? 0:-) *really likes his idea*
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:07 PM NST
so it sounds like it's not supposed to be that way.
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What do you mean by that?
Are you saying TNT is doing it on purpose?? O_o
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:08 PM NST
@imaworththemoney: The mods might be having to cover things up. I think of that type of thing as having happened before, too.
neocoladude, March 8, 2015 3:09 PM NST
I didn't think Neopets could be in worse hands than Viacom. I now realize I was very, very wrong.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 3:11 PM NST
I think this might be the end unfortunately it's seeming like it.
More and more games are going down "temporarily"
Iom, bigle dice, deadly dice, lenny conundrum
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:12 PM NST
@imaworththemoney
oops
sorry about what I said; I read your post wrong
neolikepets, March 8, 2015 3:13 PM NST
My theory, like everyone else's is that Jumpstart never really cared about Neopets. If this was a death sentence all along, why couldn't Viacom do it themselves? It's not like their reputation could get any worse.
kouza, March 8, 2015 3:14 PM NST
@Bananapower

I know it's on Facebook, but where on Facebook?
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:16 PM NST
I know it's on Facebook, but where on Facebook?
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I'm not sure. It might take a while to find out if you don't know the TNT members' FB usernames.
gerommey, March 8, 2015 3:17 PM NST
looks like it's time to join leopets.....
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 3:17 PM NST
Let's be honest, some people really needed to be replaced. It sucks that they were fired, but Neopets can only improve from here. There are a lot of features and limitations that are stuck in the year 2000. Some new blood on the team is exactly what neopets needs. The doomsday panic is hilarious to watch though.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:17 PM NST


Because Neo will possibly be going down, I decided I might have to get used to JN's emojis. They seem to be much better. *nods*
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:18 PM NST
Let's be honest, some people really needed to be replaced. It sucks that they were fired, but Neopets can only improve from here. There are a lot of features and limitations that are stuck in the year 2000. Some new blood on the team is exactly what neopets needs. The doomsday panic is hilarious to watch though.
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well they just fired a whole group leaving barely any members left. If this was some sort of "improvement that was needed" that is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:19 PM NST
@bananapower: No problem, I know what you mean. This was back when it was still showing a blank version of the look up and not redirecting to the main page.

I'm not sure how to feel about this news. The thought of Neopets ending, even in its current state, terrifies me. Like someone else said, virtual pet sites are a dying breed, and most of the other ones I've seen lack the lore that attracted me to Neopets, to say nothing of my Neofriends and the characters I made myself there. I don't want to assume until it's made clear either way, but it scares me. I'm still clinging to the tiniest bit of hope that maybe they're just going to revamp the site like Viacom did and are trying to get new blood in to fix it. I just can't fathom all that effort I poured into my gallery, my pets, and my head lore just vanishing. I am just so attached to the characters I made, and it'd be difficult to revamp them into their own original creations on entrenched in
herdy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:20 PM NST
omgzeloswilder: The only problem with this is that there isn't going to be new blood. Part of downsizing is shrinking, not keeping the same number of staff
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:21 PM NST
omgzeloswilder: The only problem with this is that there isn't going to be new blood. Part of downsizing is shrinking, not keeping the same number of staff
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exactly. :/
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 3:21 PM NST
What makes you think they aren't going to replace the people they let go?
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:22 PM NST
Oops, my post got messed up. I meant it'd be hard to rewrite my pets' characters as original characters unrelated to the site without basically removing what makes them them. Yes, you could make them humans or something and put them in a fantasy world, but what about the worlds of Neopia itself? These are common fantasy realms, but since the plots sometimes factor into my characters in small ways, it'd be difficult.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:23 PM NST
I'm not sure how to feel about this news. The thought of Neopets ending, even in its current state, terrifies me. Like someone else said, virtual pet sites are a dying breed, and most of the other ones I've seen lack the lore that attracted me to Neopets, to say nothing of my Neofriends and the characters I made myself there. I don't want to assume until it's made clear either way, but it scares me. I'm still clinging to the tiniest bit of hope that maybe they're just going to revamp the site like Viacom did and are trying to get new blood in to fix it. I just can't fathom all that effort I poured into my gallery, my pets, and my head lore just vanishing. I am just so attached to the characters I made, and it'd be difficult to revamp them into their own original creations on entrenched in
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I came to Neo right after the transitions. Why? Because I actually had previously been a super obsessed Petpet park player until they closed it, otherwise I pr
lasimone1981, March 8, 2015 3:24 PM NST
When SuperPokePets was cancelled (I was an Ambassador for the site) they created a program that allowed us to download our pets to our PC's as well as out items so we could continue, at the least, to dress them up and such. I hope that JS does the same if this is, in fact, the Neopocalypse. Although, we can all agree that that is the least of our worries. It's the world of Neopia, the Staff, the community that we all thrive on....
themeepit32, March 8, 2015 3:25 PM NST
Why does everyone think neo is ending "Darkest before dawn" they say, who know maybe it will be for the best...
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:25 PM NST
Sylestia is a growing petsite... it won't top off at Neopets levels of users, as websites aren't where people go to play games, but it's something.

But, yeah, if you're going to bring in a new TNT, you have to hire them *before* you fire all your content staff. Or pull them from your already established, profitable franchises. Neither of which was done.

The artist job on their careers page isn't for Neopets. They had a Neopets one up like 9 months ago on LinkedIn. No job postings since.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:26 PM NST
Indeed, I'd hope there would be a way to keep pets saved on DtI or JN. Then at least the pets could spiritually live on.
kouza, March 8, 2015 3:27 PM NST
So where did Fenix find that quote? I searched for that quote and it only leads me back to Jellyneo.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 3:28 PM NST
Lab-I'm looking into that site, lol. Never heard of Sylestia before.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:30 PM NST
@kouza: Someone's personal Facebook profile whose name shall not be mentioned out of respect.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:30 PM NST
@Lab: I might give that site a go. It looks interesting, and it can't hurt.
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:31 PM NST
Darn, should have posted my referral link I was just using it as an example of a growing site in the same sort of genre.
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 3:31 PM NST
Well great, if you're planning on leaving neopets, I recommend Goatlings, Flight Rising and Lioden. Aywas is good if you're super artsy. Subeta is good if you're heavy into making characters out of your pets. Kingdom Sky blows, stay away from it. Just make sure to give me your ucs before you go.
kouza, March 8, 2015 3:31 PM NST
@Nick

Alright. But I'm dying just to hear someone say something. This must be what it felt like to be impatient during lag fixes.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:32 PM NST
I'm not planning on leaving, but I'd like to know my alternatives if the worst comes to pass.
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 3:33 PM NST
"Some new blood on the team" ...only it would be more like ALL new blood :/
And that's only IF, let alone how far into the future, they do hire new artists and writers.

While I don't agree with it so much myself, I can mostly get the basic argument that "if the employees aren't meeting expectations, termination might be in order". But if no one is kept on, all you can get by replacing them is people who don't even know where to begin to get the job done, even poorly. They're either going to try and flail to follow the old rules, or just scrap them and start over.
lasimone1981, March 8, 2015 3:34 PM NST
If Neopets does go down (which I cannot bring myself to believe), I cannot invest the time or money into another....my last hurrah, I might say. Neopets has been my escape from reality for the last few difficult years of my life and I cannot fathom investing that much, emotionally at least, in another site.

To the TNT staff members.....if I may use a Titanic reference: 'Gentleman (and ladies), it has been a pleasure playing with you tonight'.
I wish you all the best.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 3:35 PM NST
I'm making an account on all the petsites I can find, to help me cope with my possible loss.
cat, March 8, 2015 3:35 PM NST
I was afraid of something like this happening with all the complaining and promising to boycott Premium/NC until the site got better. I wonder if JumpStart will hire new staff, or whether they'll just let the site rot and use the IP for other things. I don't think they'll take the site down until their own uses of the IP are firmly established, but this scares me.
herdy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:36 PM NST
@omgzeloswilder: Because, as I said, that's not what downsizing means. If you replace team members, you keep the team at the same size. Downsizing (which the sacked members were given as the reason) means reducing the number of people in the team. That means there will not be replacements.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 3:37 PM NST
Weird post glitch... Anyway, like stories2btold, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

And Sylestia gives me a Pokemon vibe, which is always a good thing.
pikachu315111, March 8, 2015 3:37 PM NST
So, what are the plans for JN if Neopet closes?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:38 PM NST
I was afraid of something like this happening with all the complaining and promising to boycott Premium/NC until the site got better. I wonder if JumpStart will hire new staff, or whether they'll just let the site rot and use the IP for other things. I don't think they'll take the site down until their own uses of the IP are firmly established, but this scares me.
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If it costs more to keep the site up than they get from purchases on the site, it will be down lickety split.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:39 PM NST
I doubt I'd ever find a good enough website to fill in for empty space if Neo closed.

Not like there would ever be a site just like Neo, anyway. -.-
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 3:40 PM NST
I agree, cat, about them keeping the main site at least that long. We're all righteously miffed, but we're the best they have as far as keeping the brand relevant goes.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:40 PM NST
If it costs more to keep the site up than they get from purchases on the site, it will be down lickety split.
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Indeed.
Which is disappointing.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 3:42 PM NST
When did Neopets start going downhill, when Viacom bought them? Here's a timeline of events I feel are important to this discussion.

2005: Viacom buys Neopets.
2007: Site overhaul, introduction of Customization, and the Great Conversion. Some users begin to become unsatisfied with the site.
2007 - 2009: General decline of quality of content. Webkinz eats up a huge portion of the potential userbase. At this point, I was convinced the site had reached the pits and that it was going to close in a year or two. Was I ever wrong.
2009: Collector Plush is retired. In retrospect, this was one of the worst decisions I feel was ever made regarding the site.
2010: Faerie's Ruin and other good stuff gave me the delusional idea that maybe the worst was finally over.
2011: Forget that. Altador Cup YYB game changed. Queue massive complaining. This was the nail in the coffin imo.
2012: Change to the Altador Cup format. Battledome overhauled. Both of these things alienated and cause
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 3:42 PM NST
But you know people say all sorts of crap online -- yes there were threats to boycott premium, etc, but did people do that? It seems a poor business decision to downsize IF there was no action on those threats. Now JS was getting less revenue because of lag, changes, etc, I would understand the firing. Don't think they did it very nicely tho!
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 3:43 PM NST
Yeah, Nick, I think I said something like that to my boyfriend when I told him about all of this earlier. And I figured HE'D be the cynical one in that conversation...
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:43 PM NST
*cough* 15A0EAEB6D446D24471F *cough*

Though keep in mind, Neopets is far more polished than Sylestia is. Think, Donna and Adam Neopets versus today's Neopets.
anovel70, March 8, 2015 3:43 PM NST
Long live Neopets!

Anyone notice that they can't view their own lookup, or anyone else's lookup?
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 3:44 PM NST
that should be "now if, JS...
john3637881, March 8, 2015 3:44 PM NST
resent with many longtime users.
2013 - 2014: Decline in content.
2014: Jumpstart buys Neopets from Viacom.
2014 - 2015: Further decline of content. Neopets offices relocated, causes even more content to be cut and starting a massive lag problem.
2015: Jumpstart lays off the majority of the staff.

Either way, now you know how pessimistic John has seen the site all these years. What happens next? My guess is that they continue making app games and end the site within the year. It's happened to other franchises, Neopets will be no different.
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:44 PM NST
@john

Site participation was dwindling before the Viacom buy. Viacom just threw a ton of money and content at the site and didn't seem to really care what stuck
simplesilencex, March 8, 2015 3:45 PM NST
Having played Neo for a majority of ~14 years, this bit of info makes me feel very, very uneasy I'm not sure I can muster up any optimism for the site at this point, even if I should..
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:46 PM NST
yes there were threats to boycott premium, etc, but did people do that?
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Yes. I was one of those people in January. I know a great number of others as well.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:47 PM NST
oh wow I never knew that there used to be another owner other than Viacom. Sooo, this disappointment is all repeating I presume.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:48 PM NST
Also, why isn't today's news getting updated? O_o I mean I do get that March 6th Got Cancelled blah blah but what's up with the news poofing completely?
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 3:48 PM NST
Ok, scratch that, I can't even figure out how to make my first pet on Sylestia.


stories2btold, March 8, 2015 3:49 PM NST
Also, why isn't today's news getting updated?
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It's Sunday. We won't get anything until tomorrow, if we're lucky.
acexcat13, March 8, 2015 3:49 PM NST
-omgzeloswilder said... "Neopets can only improve from here. ...Some new blood on the team is exactly what neopets needs."

- - - - -

There's been a LOT of comments about WHY would a company BUY a site just to shut it down?
Mercy killing? (YAY I CAN SAY THAT HERE!) :K
...possibly, but businesses don't stay profitable by throwing away money like that.

I'M HOPING, and I know a lot of others are too, that this is going to be the point where NP takes a long-overdue turn for the BETTER!

Broken links, broken games, astronomical delays in support, emphasis on NEW content instead of a FUNCTIONAL site, old problems left to fester, nearly total staff-user communications blackout, bugs on bugs... yes, is sad to see the old TNT looking for work, but at this point, NP has been sliding on a slippery down-slope for a LOOOooooong time, and especially so since the switchover.

Maybe it's time to put a less complacent group in charge of getting the site back on
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:51 PM NST
@omgzeloswilder: They're not replacing the people from what we can see, and the other issue I see is that they're firing the content crew. It's the programmers I manage to find tons of issues with regularly, after all.
boyob, March 8, 2015 3:51 PM NST
I think I'm less sad about Neopets than I am about the background energy it brought here and other sites.
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 3:51 PM NST
How does one take a screen shot or save stuff off their neopets account?

I know, I know, how can anyone not know this stuff? I was a mom when we got our first pc and was too busy driving kids to soccer and dance to learn this stuff. thanks guys!
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:53 PM NST
Or, well, you know, I also complain about support staff regularly. lol It's just they probably need more of them, that's all. Well, to make the site better, not that they will actually hire more of them.

@cat: I started boycotting NC because of fortune cookies and have been weaned off of it entirely for months now, except for the stuff from lag prizes and events.

Now I'm cancelling premium sometime later tonight (well, procrastination, of course) and because I want to come up with the best phrasing for my little box on why I'm cancelling.
elephante109, March 8, 2015 3:55 PM NST
Misty, on my comp I hit Ctrl and Print Screen, then paste the image into the Paint program and save. Hope this helps so you can save pics of your pets.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 3:55 PM NST
How does one take a screen shot or save stuff off their neopets account?
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Right click > Save image as...
or look for a print screen button on your keyboard. I think there is another method to screenshot with PCs, but I'm not familiar with them these days. If you have an Apple computer, it's Command+Shift+3 or Command+Shift+4 to select only a certain part of the screen to create an image of.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 3:56 PM NST
@mistyraider: I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but for me, I use FN and then END (PRTSC). You hold FN when you press END. I thought of something funny, but if I post it my JN account might get banned.
acexcat13, March 8, 2015 3:56 PM NST
John - TOO RIGHT!

Back during that YYB disaster, I tried sending them an angry letter full of stuff that you can't say on the site itself.
Letter was returned because NP was no loger at that address.


After that, it's been disappointment after disappointment, bad decision after bad decision. There's been a few bright spots along the way, but it's been mostly MINOR victories and a lot of losses.

For the site as a whole to survive, it needs MORE USERS, bigger fan base, and to do that, there needs to be a LOT of changes and improvements... not just new content, but the way the site (and staff) FUNCTIONS.

For the future of Neopets, there is no alternative.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:57 PM NST
@john3637881: Hasn't Webkinz closed since then? Lol, is that still running? I played that for a couple of years but I got sick of it. It never had the draw of neopets, though I started playing neopets first. We've got that economy, and I can't go back to the lack of interaction (other than from Petpet Park, which had a better social thing to make up for it with the chat system and lack of monitors). Ah well, I still don't see neopets in particular as having any major competition in terms of the people who would actually choose this site to play it. Then again, I don't see it attracting many new users at all ever either, though.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:57 PM NST
It's Sunday. We won't get anything until tomorrow, if we're lucky.
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ohh. xD
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:59 PM NST
How does one take a screen shot or save stuff off their neopets account?
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on macs and such you hit command+shift+4 and go over whatever you want to screenie, on other computers I think you press PrintScreen or something

And to put it on your neopets account, host it on an image hosting site (i.e. photo bucket) and then use its link to put it on your petpage/lookup with a src file code
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 3:59 PM NST
@nick: All I have to do is click "prt scr" or the "prt scrn
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sys rq"
button on my keyboard and copy into paint. Then I save the image as a PNG file with the name.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 3:59 PM NST
Hasn't Webkinz closed since then?
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Lol yeah it's still around
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 3:59 PM NST
labpartner-What is 15A0EAEB6D446D24471F???
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 4:00 PM NST
Elephante109, thanks that was helpful.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 4:00 PM NST
I need to finish screenying the Ski Lodge Plot tonight. For all we know, they might shut down the pages related to it tomorrow morning.
elvenfaery, March 8, 2015 4:00 PM NST
I highly doubt they were a complacent group, just ho-humming through the mess. I don't see how they were autonomous; they addressed the issues that they could and created the new content they were told to.
And though I always felt like their overall communication could have been much better, I also know its not exactly common business practice to air the dirty laundry hoping your customers and potential customers will understand. In other words, they probably weren't allowed to say much more than "sorry, were working on it" and "thanks for your patience".
I'm also not saying they were saints and martyrs. Maybe they could have done better with what they had, but I don't think drastically so.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 4:01 PM NST
As for Webkinz, they're probably more screwed than us, but the damage was done while they were big.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:01 PM NST
labpartner-What is 15A0EAEB6D446D24471F???
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I think it's just gibberish
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 4:02 PM NST
@bananapower: Ugh. That game was a huge money grabber. Greedily exploiting people. lol Seriously, I mean, they had tons of premium stuff (real nail on the coffin was one April fools day, instead of doing a joke like we'd have on neopets, they opened some NC-type store where you'd pay actual money to get an item in game) it was really weird. Like, if I'm already paying for this, why in neopoints's name would I pay for something on top of it? I had a similar issue with premium and was dead-against getting that on my main, even when they started offering exorbitant grabs to keep me off of spending more NC. Ulgh. But seriously, neopets is free. If it cost money, I wouldn't pay for premium. Since it's free, I'm willing to pay the annual fee for premium (except am cancelling, due to site issues). *sighs*
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 4:03 PM NST
ROFL "I had a similar issue with premium" that was supposed to be membership. For Petpet Park.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:04 PM NST
ROFL "I had a similar issue with premium" that was supposed to be membership. For Petpet Park.
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Ouch. I remember all those issues. x_x
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 4:05 PM NST
Bah, that's what happens when I don't proofread my comments.

@acexcat13: I so don't see it getting better, but you're right about it still being able to get way worse.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 4:06 PM NST
Nvm Lab, I see it's your referral ID. XD
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 4:07 PM NST
thanks everyone. I even learned where my print screen button is, so the day has not been a waste!

Tho it has been awfully sad. I'll keep playing and hope for the best for neopets.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 4:07 PM NST
That was her Sylestia referral code that she mentioned earlier.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 4:08 PM NST
I hope jumpstart has at least the decency to announce on mondays whats going on.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 4:09 PM NST
@Nick I thought it was some hex encoded thing XD I put in it a converter and it was gibberish ;P
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:10 PM NST
I hope jumpstart has at least the decency to announce on mondays whats going on.
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Yeahhhhhhhh
Not happening.
They're deleting topics and silencing people who talk about it.
Everyone already knows and they don't like it.
Why would they put it up on the news?
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 4:11 PM NST
Bright side: if Neopets goes away, I no longer need to worry about losing my account to hacking, seemingly random freezing, or a log-in glitch.
tupey, March 8, 2015 4:17 PM NST
Neo messed up my premium renewal. I was bitter as heck about having to get rid of a pet without any notice. Now I'm glad. But I meant to $upport them to the bitter end. I think the end is here. If they had only listened to us! If they hadn't killed the community with their excessive filtering and inconsistent, unwritten rules...

I never found anybody else who still had a skeleton pirate, and I never got Pretty Little Daisy for my side's flower gallery. And I wanted a stealthy skeith. I guess these are small regrets.
ian - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 4:18 PM NST
@bananapower: They (JS) isn't doing it. The monitors that are left are doing it. Unless an actual JS person who does some sort of content comes in and writes something, I highly doubt a programmer or (heaven forbid) offsite support or monitor will say anything.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 4:24 PM NST
@pancaketime: Always good to think on the ... pleasant side of things. lol *claps*

I'm so screenie-ing that post.

@ian: Poor monitors. I wonder if Jumpstart told them to do that, though. *shrugs*
tupey, March 8, 2015 4:24 PM NST
If I were a moderator and saw most of my coworkers fired, I'd be unwilling to continue warning/silencing people over this kind of thing. The code of silence has not helped! quite the contrary. The more things got messed up the less transparent they became.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:26 PM NST
If I were a moderator and saw most of my coworkers fired, I'd be unwilling to continue warning/silencing people over this kind of thing. The code of silence has not helped! quite the contrary. The more things got messed up the less transparent they became.
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which is sane logic.
Sadly JS didn't feel like following it.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 4:28 PM NST
@tupey: They might have said to not allow news on this to leak out till we officially discuss it on monday ;P
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:28 PM NST


once more getting used to JN emojis so I don't have to miss Neopets emojis once they close, if they do (pffft, IF)
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 4:31 PM NST
Are there any online games like Neo that are more focused on the economy than on pets? Or maybe there are no pets? I really didn't much care about the pets during my time on Neo - I just wanted ones that made my account look good.
duhimalyse, March 8, 2015 4:35 PM NST
Um. I think Goatlings is the cutest site in existence. <3 I might be in love.
kouza, March 8, 2015 4:35 PM NST
@Azienskieth

You mean some kind of economy-based game about collecting account trophies?
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 4:38 PM NST
If I were one of their mods, it would depend.
If I was on contract until the end of the year, I'd coast along barely doing my job as it all crumbles.
If I was told that I'd be gone in x months, just until the site is officially closed, I'd continue working as is.
If I was told that only content was leaving, then I'd let a whole lot more slide since it'd feel like I'd be treated like content when the time would come.

***

And, yeah, I missed a bunch of people but got one person to Sylestia so muahaha. I like their refer system better than Neo, actually. You don't get bonuses on sign up but on milestones being reached so the other person actually has to become active.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 4:38 PM NST
Yeah... Basically if it has avatars, or trophies, or money to collect... Almost anything that Neo had, except for pets and Neohomes. Also, something similar to restocking would be great.
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 4:39 PM NST
@azienskieth

Runescape is mostly spreadsheet management, I've heard. But, yeah, if Neopets goes down, I'm looking for an economy game haha
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 4:40 PM NST
@labpartnerincrime

Oh, good, I'm not the only one! It's always seemed like I'm the only person who cared more about other things than my pets.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 4:45 PM NST
Honestly I will not be happy to move to yet ANOTHER site to play if Neopets closes. It's like moving from house to house due to bad quality or getting destroyed.
smartman294, March 8, 2015 4:51 PM NST
@lab I play runescape very very often the leveling system is very interesting but since there is pretty much a update every week there is a TON to do
jazzmosisman, March 8, 2015 4:55 PM NST
Oh dear, looks like a Neopocalypse!
ika_hinotama, March 8, 2015 4:56 PM NST
So it has been confirmed that neopets is closing?
kouza, March 8, 2015 4:58 PM NST
@ika_hinotama

No, just that much of the old guard is now fired. Suddenly on Friday.
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 4:59 PM NST
No ika. There were lay-offs on TNT, most of the team, actually. And there has been no official notice from JS.
kouza, March 8, 2015 4:59 PM NST
Okay Jellystaff, you seem to be in the know, in contact with staffers and stuff.

1. Did we definitely not get news/images on Friday because people were fired?

2. You know a bit about non-disclosure agreements. Are the fired TNT-ers keeping quiet because of legal reasons?
snufflybot, March 8, 2015 5:03 PM NST
@kouza I would definitely say that the 2nd part of your statement is correct, they would have had to sign something like that anyway.

I am so sad All I wish is the best for TNT, we've had some moans and groans along the way but for the most part they were behind the players at all times.

We can honestly only hope that there is more in store yet to come but who knows.
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 5:07 PM NST
Hey, this post has made it to the neopets wikipedia page!
inkpot, March 8, 2015 5:11 PM NST
so is this (nearing) the end?
i knew the day would come... but didn't think it'd be this soon.
kyokusagani1999, March 8, 2015 5:11 PM NST
15 years of providing content to loyal players, and it's all leading down to a pesky pink slip?? Dearie me.. I may have jumped on the bandwagon late, but that doesn't mean I had fun with the flash games on the site! FORTUNATELY, we may be in luck when it comes to game preservation. FGN-Guild already backed up the SWF files of all the games on the site, INCLUDING sponsor games retired from the site. I advise all of you using Google Chrome or Firefox to download the SWF files so you can run them locally and keep the memories alive forever in case worst comes to worst!
khaytra, March 8, 2015 5:11 PM NST
@Kouza I don't recall exactly what the source was, but Comastar (who had newskeeping duties) is apparently gone, so that would explain no news updates.
ibookworm281, March 8, 2015 5:14 PM NST
webkinz is dying but it still has awesome customer service

-stares at neopets now-
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 5:16 PM NST
The editor of the Neopian Times took maternity leave. Was that Comastar? They announced that they hadn't found a replacement. Judging from the mass lay-offs, they may never have planned to replace her.
yekith, March 8, 2015 5:17 PM NST
I don't even know what to say. I'm so sad, and worried 'cause I've been the most active ever (been on the site for close to 11 years) these last years. I've achieved a lot and have also interacted with people more and made friends. It'd definitely hurt if the site closed.

I spent hours today screencapping stuff, just in case. I really hope this won't end like it seems it's going to.
ian - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 5:17 PM NST
@mistyraider: That was Droplet.
lightsideoftheshadow, March 8, 2015 5:18 PM NST
Anyone know if my membership will continue for the time I've paid for when I cancel my premium? Or will it be terminated immediately? It's set up as recurring and will be billed again in November but I'd like to cancel it now since I may stop playing and forget by then.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 5:19 PM NST
Urg, even Comastar? That's outrageous!
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 5:19 PM NST
oops, sorry Ian, thanks for the correction.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 5:21 PM NST
@lightsideoftheshadow

If you cancel Premium now, it will run until you were due to renew (or until the site goes down for good).
ibookworm281, March 8, 2015 5:22 PM NST
comastar and snarkie were the only decent members. i think snarkie left and now comastar may be gone

bye neopets
bananapower, March 8, 2015 5:23 PM NST
I don't even know what to say. I'm so sad, and worried 'cause I've been the most active ever (been on the site for close to 11 years) these last years. I've achieved a lot and have also interacted with people more and made friends. It'd definitely hurt if the site closed.

I spent hours today screencapping stuff, just in case. I really hope this won't end like it seems it's going to.
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(before I reply, I must say HEY YEKITH! It's Ally xD)

Yeah, I want to keep Neopets at least somewhere. It'd be such a pain if it closed down. *shoots a glare at JS* Friends are the most I'm worrying about, I've had to let go of a lot of people due to other sites closing Neopets would be just... like... WHAT
celestial__being, March 8, 2015 5:23 PM NST
I have been playing this game for almost 10 years,sad to see it down

However,I am quite disappointed that they discontinued more languages. That's like asking the other players who can't understand english/available language to go away.

imo JS tend to cut their expense on neo,since they can't fix it.
invader_of_worlds, March 8, 2015 5:23 PM NST
I hope for the best, but I shall prepare for the worst.
lightsideoftheshadow, March 8, 2015 5:24 PM NST
Thanks (:
mistyraider, March 8, 2015 5:25 PM NST
@invader of world ~ what you said!
bananapower, March 8, 2015 5:25 PM NST
I hope for the best, but I shall prepare for the worst.
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I wish I could be positive.
It just doesn't work. *smile fades back into a scowl*
john3637881, March 8, 2015 5:25 PM NST
I'm on that site that archived all the Neopets games, and the Danimals games aren't working! WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?
kouza, March 8, 2015 5:27 PM NST
You're telling me they took the Danimals???

I wanna believe things will be okay, but...
bananapower, March 8, 2015 5:27 PM NST
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?
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We've heard, thought, and considered this line since September. JS seems to like to put these thoughts in our minds, otherwise they wouldn't have done such a poor job with this site.
yekith, March 8, 2015 5:29 PM NST
Hi, Ally!

***
IF the site is closing, I can only hope someone will take some pity on us and let us know with time. That way we can agree to stay together somewhere else and also...so we spend all our NPs. I don't want to spend it all before knowing. but I don't want my account to die with them there in the bank. D: I won them, I spend them!

It'd be good if we had months to keep enjoying what's left at least.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 5:30 PM NST
Bongo forever. My friends and I had a joke about him. He was a Mynci that was obsessed with Danimals Strawberry Banana yogurt. He would frequently flood Neopia because he could summon the stuff. He had a really weird and funny voice my friend did for him. He also had a slogan that was not JN-appropriate. Good times. It's things like that that made Neopets great.
yekith, March 8, 2015 5:32 PM NST
I want see if I can save the animated version of my pets somehow (I mean, the ones with NC items). Maybe with Firefox' extension...
bananapower, March 8, 2015 5:38 PM NST
IF the site is closing, I can only hope someone will take some pity on us and let us know with time. That way we can agree to stay together somewhere else and also...so we spend all our NPs. I don't want to spend it all before knowing. but I don't want my account to die with them there in the bank. D: I won them, I spend them!

It'd be good if we had months to keep enjoying what's left at least.
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Well, when all those transfers happened they DID notify us about petpet park closing.

Only thing about that is that they didn't notify us on the petpet park site ITSELF.

They might notify us, I just think it's probably going to be indirect, vague, or unclear.

So be prepared. :/
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 5:40 PM NST
Jumpstart just put up a bunch of job listings jsyk
jankiapatel95, March 8, 2015 5:41 PM NST
@omgzeloswilder Where did they put up a bunch of job listings?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:43 PM NST
@bananapower: So, what we can expect is them to notify some clear-off other jumpstart owned site that hardly anyone on neopets plays. lol

Vast majority of Petpet Park players didn't really play neopets. Other than a few of us who came over there from here/neopets and enjoyed it, and then there are a handful of people from the park who stuck with neopets, too. That's why the Petpet Park boards certainly aren't thriving, but it's been a lot more active since the closing than I think it was before the closing.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:45 PM NST
News spread like wildfire, though, and I think quite a few people checked jellyneo, or at least used the park guide.

@omgzeloswilder: What does "jsyk" mean?
jankiapatel95, March 8, 2015 5:46 PM NST
@morganjoisle just so you know
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 5:48 PM NST
http://www.jumpstart.com/aboutus/careers
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:49 PM NST
@jankiapatel95: Ah, that would make sense. lol

Anyone else at the Golden Dubloon? Because the occupancy is over 200 and I want to feed Hannah_JoIsle with those dubloons I bought to feed my pets there with.

@omgzeloswilder: Mind linking us? I wanna see if I can apply. lol
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 5:50 PM NST
Those were already there sadly.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:50 PM NST
... Do they hire anyone under the age of eighteen and or show any that might be neopets jobs, though?
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 5:50 PM NST
Okay, so they've been looking for replacements before they fired people, that doesn't prove anything.
yekith, March 8, 2015 5:50 PM NST
So far nothing works to save animated pet images (again, I mean my pets with animated NC on)...:/
reallynot, March 8, 2015 5:51 PM NST
Oh this breaks my heart.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:52 PM NST
@yekith: I have no idea how to save SWF files, and had issues because it wouldn't show all of them in my browser to screenshot either while trying to archive the park.

You could attempt to take a screenshot by screenshot or video type recording of them, maybe, but I guess the only thing to do is to ask around.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 5:53 PM NST
WHY JUMPSTART?

We offer a competitive compensation + equity/stock options + full benefits (medical/dental/vision/life).

Fully stocked kitchen.

--x

Ooh, they have a fully stocked kitchen. Guess I should apply.
tama70406, March 8, 2015 5:54 PM NST
@omgzeloswilder those jobs don't seem to have anything to do with neopets, or the jobs that were recently cut
omgzeloswilder, March 8, 2015 5:57 PM NST
2D Artist, Online Customer Acquisition Manager, Associate Producer, Producer, Senior Game Developer (Unity)... how do these jobs sound like they don't have anything to do with neopets? No one even knows the specific jobs the fired people had.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:57 PM NST
@azienskieth: ... They have good benefits. ... Mmm, but they fired neopets. ... *huggles TNT staff members* I don't think I'd apply if I even was over eighteen/lived anywhere near there/was probably even eligible with those things, but seriously - they're cutting those people off of those benefits.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 5:58 PM NST
@omgzeloswilder: We sort of do. It seems like everyone except the support staff, programmers and monitors were sacked, which means that at least the content staff and artists are gone. Droplet was the neopian times editor, apparently Comastar used to do the news, so, pretty much any job that wasn't any of the three Dave mentions (or maybe whoever's calling the cuts) seem to have been sacked.
lasergu, March 8, 2015 5:59 PM NST
This is sad news, but I'm not sure why people are panicking. If they were closing the site, they'd likely announce it to the users, then fire everybody at once. I think JumpStart knows what they're doing: the site is still a potential source for profit, and as long as it is, they'll keep it open. If it isn't, they'll probably try to sell it again rather than outright close it.

Speaking of which, I think it's very likely that they'll move into a more mobile-oriented site, in ADDITION to the regular site. I don't see any reason for them to close the main site when they already have it as a basis for whatever else they have planned; not to mention, they likely know they will lose a lot of the user-base if they do so.
yekith, March 8, 2015 6:00 PM NST
@morganjoisle Screen recorder don't work on my computer (use a lot of memory and it's old), so not an option. :/ I used to be able to save SWF, but now nothing seems to work. I click 'save', but no file appears.

I'll have to re-find what I used many years ago. I think it was called Flashsaver and was integrated on the browser (IE back then lol!)
archaeopteryx, March 8, 2015 6:01 PM NST
Just so y'all know, some of those jobs were posted quite a bit ago; in fact if I remember correctly I'd say the majority of them have been there for awhile, so I think it's premature to posit that they're for Neo.
azienskieth, March 8, 2015 6:01 PM NST
If they were closing the site, they'd likely announce it to the users, then fire everybody at once

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Right, because TNT is always so great with communication. Viacom kept us out of the loop - and that hasn't changed with JumpStart.
tama70406, March 8, 2015 6:02 PM NST
The description for 2D artist says it entails making textures and screen interfaces for their 3D games.
Unity implies the plugin thing they use for things like facebook games
They aren't related to neopets
tama70406, March 8, 2015 6:05 PM NST
"Accomplished CEO, David Lord (bio) took position in 2008, and has led a successful pivot from retail to online/mobile games company over the past 4 years."
I mean it's pretty likely this is 2-3 years old
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:07 PM NST
@tama70406: Gah, I forgot how long ago 2012 was. lol It seems like it was last year or something. ... I keep forgetting it's 2015 already.

@yekith: I should probably *cough* poogle *cough* how to do that sometime too. lol Good idea.
yekith, March 8, 2015 6:08 PM NST
I shall continue my search after dinner!
reallynot, March 8, 2015 6:08 PM NST
So hearing this news just sadden me. I have been playing since 2003 and I've met my best friend through Neopets. I would've never found DeviantArt if it wasn't for Neopets. I have seen some of the best art of Neopet characters thanks to this site. I'd hate to see it go..
lasergu, March 8, 2015 6:08 PM NST
Right, because TNT is always so great with communication. Viacom kept us out of the loop - and that hasn't changed with JumpStart.

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That would be a pretty big thing to not announce, though...
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:16 PM NST
archaeopteryx, 03/8/2015, 6:01 pm NST
Just so y'all know, some of those jobs were posted quite a bit ago; in fact if I remember correctly I'd say the majority of them have been there for awhile, so I think it's premature to posit that they're for Neo.

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This. I was unemployed all of 2014, trust me, those have been there a while. LinkedIn had a Neopets Artist job that was open for a month around 9 months ago, but that's it Neorelated.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:18 PM NST
Oh, Kayla, darling, I'm sorry that that happened to you.

I wish you could've gotten that neopets artist job, only, well... You know, then you'd have been unemployed again now.
labpartnerincrime - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:26 PM NST
I wish you could've gotten that neopets artist job

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*giggle* I don't I have a math degree, with no designy bone in my body. I do software testing now. Much better fit, and honestly better benefits than JumpStart's With way lower cost of living than moving across the country to Cali would be.

But I may have refreshed JS often for something that would have just required any four year degree and rolled with it.
hyperknuckles77_tail, March 8, 2015 6:26 PM NST
Where are the JumpStart apologists now?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:35 PM NST
@hyperknuckles77_tail: As miserable as any of us, deary, wishing the best to all the staff members who are out of jobs.

Aww, Kayla, I'm glad it's worked out for the best then. I hope you're having a nice life, darling. ^^
panthera_alba, March 8, 2015 6:35 PM NST
The MAJORITY of the Neopets staff is gone?! This does not help matters at all.
theflamelord, March 8, 2015 6:36 PM NST
@yekith
ShareX has a really great screen recorder that doesnt use much memory, its super light, try it next, it records in mp4 but can be converted to gif online
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:36 PM NST
@panthera_alba: It's only the ones who won't be able to help with the lag. There's still hope, seeing as all we've got left are programmers and the necessary support staff and monitors. :-/ ...
kittybrod, March 8, 2015 6:39 PM NST
One of the things I didn't notice mentioned is the possibility that while they are downsizing, perhaps they are closing another franchise of theirs? and moving those people to neopets?

I don't really see the point of buying a site then a year later shutting it down, without even trying to keep it open.

Nor do I see a point in releasing a new game (I hate unity) for a site you are going to close. And allowing that new game to interface with said site, and allow new people to sign up.

Right now, I think I will try to keep positive
auraichadora, March 8, 2015 6:39 PM NST
@hyperknuckles: Why, so you can tell them how wrong they were and make them feel horrible for trying to find any sort of positive light they can? Much like others are doing on Neo right now?

Despite these issues, I plan to stay positive as long as I can. Neo is more than just a gaming site for me: it's the only place where I can talk to people, where I have fun, where I don't feel completely lonely and I don't get constantly put down. It helps keep me going during the week when my husband is gone and trying to do double the work for us because my health doesn't allow me to. Sounds extremely sad, I know, but eh...
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:43 PM NST
One of the things I didn't notice mentioned is the possibility that while they are downsizing, perhaps they are closing another franchise of theirs? and moving those people to neopets?
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Then you would keep some TNT members like content and artists to train them. Much of TNT was doing their thing for 10+ years, so they were essentially the site. It makes no sense to replace everyone with fresh faces (and from another failing franchise) when TNT is the heart and soul of Neopets.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 6:43 PM NST
*explodes*
kittybrod, March 8, 2015 6:46 PM NST
ummy - not if they wanted to take the site in a brand new direction. And JumpStart might not consider TNT the heart and soul, just more employees. I personally don't know what types of other franchises they have so I don't know if they might have already had content and artists that could 'step' into TNT's shoes. or at least that THEY feel could do the job. *shrugs* I am just throwing out possibilities as quite frankly, unless someone has an 'in' with Jumpstart, none of us really know what they are doing.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:47 PM NST
I usually would say this is a business decision, but personally I feel they've turned on their commitment on improving Neopets. Getting rid of content--the pets, the items, the events, competitions--means there's nothing interesting anymore. The Neopets we knew and loved is gone.
kouza, March 8, 2015 6:47 PM NST
It's gonna be an interesting Monday. Every minute past 2:30 PM NST is gonna be a struggle to even breathe. We just need news!
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:48 PM NST
JumpStart might not consider TNT the heart and soul, just more employees.
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which is the issue. Everything TNT does has character to it, and it gives the site the whimsical, quirky, safe atmosphere. What's the point of a Neopets that's not Neopets?
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:50 PM NST
I'm fully expecting them to upload Gelert Day News--that is, if it was finished--and release some of the last few plushies/MP. Once they've burned through all their daily content, they'll have to say something.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 6:52 PM NST
I'm fully expecting them to upload Gelert Day News--that is, if it was finished--and release some of the last few plushies/MP. Once they've burned through all their daily content, they'll have to say something.
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No matter what's going on I still find it surprising they skipped the news on gelert day x_X
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:53 PM NST
Well if you found yourself suddenly fired, I don't think your first thought is "gotta update the news."
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:53 PM NST
@kittybrod: It's nice to have theories. *pats you on the head and sees the ideas as delusional if they were true on Jumpstart's heads*
I trust in my gut saying the site isn't continuing when all the evidence around me is finally pointing out the failings.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 6:54 PM NST
And yeah, the March 6 thing seems like a bad idea in hindsight. To think that was Comastar's final post.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 6:56 PM NST
Can you imagine being the Stealthy Gelert? It's like being born after the apocalypse.
kouza, March 8, 2015 6:56 PM NST
@Ummy

Have to say something about the layoffs? As you are a Jellystaffer who is most likely reading Facebook posts and such that I can't, I wanna trust your word. But if Jumpstart is taking the staff in a new direction by filling it with their own, maybe they don't necessarily need to say anything? Maybe they don't feel like they're obligated to?

Or do you mean say something about why the news was absent on Friday? Yeah, that I think warrants explanation.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:56 PM NST
@ummy: Oh, Wicker Toilets, poor Comastar.

If all the content team is gone, though, we're forcing a programmer to do the news? Might as well have an "artists got sacked" day instead of artists took the day off. *laughs sadly*
bananapower, March 8, 2015 6:56 PM NST
And yeah, the March 6 thing seems like a bad idea in hindsight. To think that was Comastar's final post.
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I never actually thought about that
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 6:57 PM NST
@kouza: What person wouldn't feel obligated? They're scapegoats who haven't any sense if that is the case, deary, and I simply can't believe someone (Jumpstart) would think that is the best possible idea of a way they could go about these things. Seriously. Heavens, Kouza, would you fire all the previous employees of a site to bring in fresh faces without hinting to at least the staff? If nothing else that's cruel, you know.
kouza, March 8, 2015 6:58 PM NST
@stories2btold

Interestingly enough, it looks like a reaper. An angel of death.

*sigh* I just don't think Jumpstart, or anyone new to Neopets, has the snark to write for Neopia. Whoever replaces our lost staffers, I hope they at least know what site they're working on. If we get a bunch of "Neopets? I've heard of that, but never played" it might be sad times ahead.
prplecat, March 8, 2015 6:58 PM NST
It sounds like they just kept enough people to manage a site shutdown. Please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 7:00 PM NST
Ah well, for it being her last post, well... It's fitting seeing as Jumpstart didn't have any interest in the ... Oh, God, if that's the last news post ever it suits the site. *chews on a Mossy Rock*

@kouza: I'd rather have no new content ever then THAT to happen. Clara Chatham, we could have worse than the Atlas of the Ancients ahead of us.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:00 PM NST
It sounds like they just kept enough people to manage a site shutdown. Please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.
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Well, then they'd notify everyone, and after a bit close the site and all the staff members would go their own way *nods*
theflamelord, March 8, 2015 7:00 PM NST
Guy please DO NOT BOYCOT THE NC MALL AND PREMIUM I've seen a few people talking about this, this will kill neopets FOR SURE these are what Jumpstart are looking at to see if it's worth it to put money into keeping the site running, if that money just stops because a bunch of people decide to "Protest the changes" (Which they do not care about) then they'll just shut the site down for not being profitable, if you want neopets to be saved show them that it IS profitable, pay that premium a couple more times, buy some nc if you can, it's not a guarantee to save the site, but boycotting it is a guarantee to kill it.
fenix, March 8, 2015 7:00 PM NST
My only request--if JS is forthright and ever does announce dissolving the main Neopets website--that they at least turn off the filters which block other pet sites and the like.

I know, the likelihood of that happening is next to none, but it would provide a chance for players to recommend alternative choices for those who aren't into the pet aspect anymore, or would much rather dress up human avatars, or flesh out their characters.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 7:01 PM NST
Oh, Melody, love is that you? I think you used to be around the Charter boards.

It seems like that to me. It's the simplest explanation and it's the one I'm going to believe.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 7:02 PM NST
@theflamelord: We have been doing that for MONTHS. I'm cancelling premium, what, are you going to pay $70 or so for a site that's probably going to be closed in a year?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 7:04 PM NST
@theflamelord: And a "couple more times" you're implying the site'll still be around to pay it a couple of more times?

I played Petpet Park, I know how these things can work.

I've supported the site for years, I'm done paying for things monetarily that I'm not able to appreciate to the fullest extent. Part of the reason I ended up weaned off of NC was because my closet CANNOT withstand the lag and doesn't load 90% of the time.

I'm cancelling premium because I'm not paying a year out for a site that's this laggy and this is the final straw pushing me to finally take the action I've made my resolution to do.
prplecat, March 8, 2015 7:05 PM NST
I wouldn't mind if the site was taken down for a few MONTHS, fully repaired, and maybe taken in a somewhat new direction. That's really the best thing that I can see as a possibility, given the nature of the layoffs. And yeah...I'm Melodie.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:05 PM NST
Now that you once more mention the site closing.



I'm serious, I should be getting used to these.

. . .

hold on a second.

If Neopets goes down, won't JN go down as well?

No point in getting used to these stupid emojis! GAH! *doesn't want to lose both neo and JN*
fenix, March 8, 2015 7:08 PM NST
Great, the Stealthy Gelert will probably be met with a tarnished reputation.

But I guess it's only fitting, what with the timing of the layoffs and the old story about Gelert being wrongfully accused for killing an infant.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:11 PM NST
I shall liven up all your moods with a story.

One day, there lived a boy named Jump.

One day, there also lived a boy named Start.

When they met, Jump STARTED to Jump and Start STARTED to jump. Then they bumped into each other and were never seen again. The end.

That probably did not liven up your moods at all, but the imagination might
fullonparanoid, March 8, 2015 7:12 PM NST
Like everyone else, I am saddened and a bit stunned.

I think what bothers me the most is how shady it seems. To pull the 'last half-hour of a work week "SURPRISE! You're OUTA heah!" is LAME. But, even before that underhandedness...what has really bothered me these last months...is that they have continued to sell Keyquest tokens.

They have continued to rake in money for a game that you cannot convince me they have any real intention of bringing back. That is just dishonest and shady...characteristics I never attributed to Neopets before.

So, imo, it is Jumpstart that is dishonest and shady...and, sadly, it is Jumpstart we are left to deal with.

Ah well...I will see it through, no matter how it plays out. I'm just really bummed at how it looks here and now. Nothing to do now but buckle in and ride it out.
fenix, March 8, 2015 7:13 PM NST
Not depressing enough of a story, bananapower. =/ needs some Michael Bay explosions.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:14 PM NST
is that they have continued to sell Keyquest tokens.
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YES OMG
But I feel kind of stupid cause I bought two of those. xD Not for the game, of course, but for the bonus items.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 7:14 PM NST
@fenix and bananapower: Maybe not, but Fenix's story made me smile. Aww, lol, sad story but sweet and fitting with how things are going today.

Also I'm pretty sure Jellyneo would stay up. We have the Petpet Park guide in archive mode, after all.
supermario4444, March 8, 2015 7:15 PM NST
I sincerely hope this is not the end. It would be a shame to see Neopets die like this.. laggy with a ton of broken features.
fenix, March 8, 2015 7:15 PM NST
@fullon
I've been incredibly suspicious since in the NT editorial, it was stated that some files were 'lost' during the server move.

...how would a programmer NOT have back-up files on EVERYTHING related to a large game such as KQ?

I think that was JS way of silently axing KQ.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 7:19 PM NST
They have continued to rake in money for a game that you cannot convince me they have any real intention of bringing back.
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They were actively working to get back the missing KQ file but were unsuccessful, right before the layoffs.
fenix, March 8, 2015 7:19 PM NST
Has anyone done research on JS business history?

I think tomorrow, I'll set aside some time to see if I find anything. I wonder if any other company or employees worked for them and how that went down, either good or bad.

If I find anything shady or of interest, I'll comment it here.
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 7:23 PM NST
I think this post is causing more panic than it should. Perhaps it should have been more simple & professional. The way its worded has users believing that the site is in fact closing down, which no one even knows that. Now the boards are full of people cancelling premium & quitting the site altogether, with the majority of them linking to and/or copying & pasting this post.

You think the site will die? You can easily guarantee that by making a panic inducing post on a site that is trusted and used by many players that causes the players to quit
fullonparanoid, March 8, 2015 7:25 PM NST
They were actively working to get back the missing KQ file but were unsuccessful, right before the layoffs.

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And, yet, the tokens are still for sale in the NC Mall. I will be STUNNED if they are removed...even more stunned if they actually bring Keyquest back. Yet another thing where I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

I'm not going anywhere, however, I'm also not buying anymore NC. I'll be there fumbling for the door once they turn out the lights for good.

The whole of it just makes me sad.
prplecat, March 8, 2015 7:28 PM NST
I'm not going anywhere either. I'll be the one ripping the woodwork off the doorframe as they try to drag me out.
kittybrod, March 8, 2015 7:30 PM NST
Same here I will be hiding up in the rafters hoping they don't notice me and helping anyone else who wants to hide there up
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 7:30 PM NST
he way its worded has users believing that the site is in fact closing down, which no one even knows that.
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Well in a lot of cases, reducing your team to a skeleton crew is done to prepare for a shutdown.
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 7:33 PM NST
How do you know the layoffs weren't done so they could afford to hire more programmers to fix the massive issues? They are layoffs right? They didn't just fire them? Did they say they were permanent layoffs?
fullonparanoid, March 8, 2015 7:36 PM NST
Let me clarify my position on all of this...I WANT to be proven wrong. I WANT Jumpstart to...well, JUMPSTART Neopets and infuse it with new life and success. I want Neopets to thrive and grow...I want old users to return and I want new users to be drawn in by the creative and imaginative site content.

Truly, nothing would please me more.

I'm just honest in my assessment of what has happened thus far. 6 months of being actively umbrella'd by JS has NOT done much for my confidence in their ability to make my hopes for a healthy thriving Neopia a reality.

Shorter version: Hoping for the best, well prepared for the worst.

I think that puts me in a very crowded boat.

nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 7:36 PM NST
Because they did not keep all of the programmers
lala52, March 8, 2015 7:37 PM NST
It's not uncommon for a company that just acquired another company to fire everyone and replace them with their own employees.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:38 PM NST
How do you know the layoffs weren't done so they could afford to hire more programmers to fix the massive issues? They are layoffs right? They didn't just fire them? Did they say they were permanent layoffs?
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because when you're fired your spot is able to be filled.

When you're layed off, you're layed off.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 7:38 PM NST
Well in a lot of cases, reducing your team to a skeleton crew is done to prepare for a shutdown.
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In every place that I have worked where that has occured, yes, that has always happened. Including my last job. All of us but two were laid off and eventually they were also. And layoff is the PC term for "fired".
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 7:40 PM NST
bananapower - you're right. Layoff is different than fired. My mistake
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 7:43 PM NST
@fullonparanoid - I'm that boat too. Hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst.

@nick - how many programmers did they get rid of and how many are left? I never saw a staff list posted anywhere to even know the amount that is gone. I did hear it was large, however.

@bananapower - I know the difference between fired & layoff That wasn't my question lol.
briezymunester, March 8, 2015 7:46 PM NST
m0rbid_kitt3n; That is probably their goal since JN knows the staffers that were let go and likely are afraid of their partnership being in jeopardy so I'm guessing they do not care what is said or posted. It is obviously not a professional post that is meant to be for the benefit of the site. Just my two cents here haha.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:47 PM NST
I know the difference between fired & layoff That wasn't my question lol.
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I was saying that when you said "how do you know it wasn't done to hire more people" that when you're laid off that kind of thing isn't intended.
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 7:51 PM NST
@briezymunester - That's what i'm saying. I'm not trying to step on any toes, I *love* this site. I use it very frequently. The post does seem way too personal from a professional point of view and it is obviously doing a lot of harm to the site. That's what has me worried.

I feel extremely terrible for the staff that was laid off. I truly do. I hope the layoff is temporary or that they can find new jobs very quickly.

@bananapower - Ohh, no I know that xD I wasn't aware that they laid off programmers though. I heard of it being content, monitors, and artists but that was it. That's why I asked Nick if he could clarify because I wasn't aware of the title of people that were laid off.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:52 PM NST
Ohh, no I know that xD I wasn't aware that they laid off programmers though. I heard of it being content, monitors, and artists but that was it. That's why I asked Nick if he could clarify because I wasn't aware of the title of people that were laid off.
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ah ok lol
kouza, March 8, 2015 7:55 PM NST
Was a post deleted? We're down to 199.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 7:56 PM NST
Was a post deleted? We're down to 199.
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interesting xD
kittybrod, March 8, 2015 7:57 PM NST
mine stayed at 200 even though there were lots of posts being added, now it is staying at 199...
briezymunester, March 8, 2015 7:57 PM NST
m0rbid_kitt3n; Yes exactly me thoughts! While I feel grateful for the news it should have been worded better so as in not to insue such panic. It made me a bit uncomfortable I will say. I hope they do as well, being unemployed myself for such an extended time makes me worry for them. I hope they do quickly and find even better work elsewhere.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 7:58 PM NST
@bananapower - Ohh, no I know that xD I wasn't aware that they laid off programmers though. I heard of it being content, monitors, and artists but that was it. That's why I asked Nick if he could clarify because I wasn't aware of the title of people that were laid off.
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The news post says only a handful of them remain. No one outside of TNT HQ likely knows the specifics, but Dave's source told him there are only a few programmers left (as well as some support staff and monitors).

If they were looking to expand their numbers in the programming department by laying off everyone else, they wouldn't be laying off all but a few programmers as well.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 8:00 PM NST
hm? It's still 199! Perhaps they changed up the limit to 199 instead of 200.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:01 PM NST
Also, the company was downsized. You don't replace employees when you downsize. You just cut them out.

If the employees were replaced, the size would be the same.
bananapower, March 8, 2015 8:01 PM NST
mine stayed at 200 even though there were lots of posts being added, now it is staying at 199...
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thats because every time a 201th post got put up, the oldest post still there got deleted. basically a limit to how many posts show up on the page (i think)
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 8:02 PM NST
Dear whoever recommended Goatlings- you have created a monster. No matter what happens to Neopets, I'm happily using it. Of course, I'll be playing Neopets like normal as long as it stays around. But crud is Goatlings pure adorable and fun...
bananapower, March 8, 2015 8:02 PM NST
Also, the company was downsized. You don't replace employees when you downsize. You just cut them out.

If the employees were replaced, the size would be the same.
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*nods*
"laid off" after all
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 8:04 PM NST
they wouldn't be laying off all but a few programmers as well.
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Unless those programmers weren't doing their jobs. Not trying to sound harsh but its factual considering the condition of the site.

My point is that IF the site were truly closing, what can we do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So why cause panic? I would personally much rather spend the last "days of Neopets" reading the normal day-to-day threads and seeing (most) people happy rather than seeing the boards flooded with "Neo Doomsday" and "I'm Quitting" posts everywhere =/

(Although the doomsday & quitting threads do pop up off & on regardless, but today its horrible)
kouza, March 8, 2015 8:04 PM NST
We're certain this is a downsizing, right? Who said it was a downsizing?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:08 PM NST
Because paying customers deserve to know whether their future investments are a risky choice.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:08 PM NST
We're certain this is a downsizing, right? Who said it was a downsizing?
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Ex-staff on Facebook.
lasergu, March 8, 2015 8:11 PM NST
*throws down jump-to-conclusions mat*
kouza, March 8, 2015 8:11 PM NST
Okay, it looks like a downsizing then. Now, if they're not killing Neopets, what are they gonna do with a skeleton crew?
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 8:11 PM NST
I feel by this point everyone is just repeating what's already been said/asking wasted questions and we're all sitting in a heap of misery.

TIME FOR COOKIES
waning, March 8, 2015 8:12 PM NST
My concern is that we are hearing this information from an employer who was just "laid off". They are certainly going to be unhappy and may even make things appear more grim than they may truly be. I adore TNT, and the staff as they have always been, but do we know for a fact they were "laid off" or could they have used that terminology to save face rather than saying they were "fired".

I don't mean to doubt TNT but, could it not be so simple that JS gave them the chance to improve the site issues, and while that has not been fixed they chose to employ other workers (possibly in house workers)? I am just clinging to any hope that this could be a good thing for the site as whole. I know the chance is slim, but could this not be the case?
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 8:12 PM NST
Because paying customers deserve to know whether their future investments are a risky choice.
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Thank you. As someone who has spent more than her fair share on NC, I appreciate this.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:13 PM NST
There is a lot of repeating what's already been said, since many will not read all of the comments and not all of the comments are being shown anyway.

This is why Dave made a news post. The same thing was happening with the neoboards. No one reads old posts, so confusion gets repeated, reanswered, and so on.
archaeopteryx, March 8, 2015 8:14 PM NST
Great now I've been sucked into Goatlings.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:14 PM NST
Also, while I do appreciate the information, as I do want to hold off on my NC purchasing until I know more on this whole situation, I do feel like this specific post has caused some hysteria among players. The speculations along have caused players to quit, cancel Premium, etc. While it is their decision, wouldn't it have been best to hear this from JS? They HAVE to inform us if the service (the site) will be discontinued. Most of us are paying customers.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:16 PM NST
They HAVE to inform us if the service (the site) will be discontinued. Most of us are paying customers.
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Another repeated response, but:
They did not do that at all with Petpet Park.

Sold memberships and NC items until the day they closed their doors with no warning on Petpet Park at all. Only those who visited Neopets.com or JN knew it was closing in advance.
wildangel333, March 8, 2015 8:17 PM NST
And what about all the money your users spent with NC? That should matter...
Can't believe this is happening, i'm playing for almost 9 years and i love this game so much please TNT...
waning, March 8, 2015 8:17 PM NST
employee*

My brain is too tired.
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 8:17 PM NST
Because paying customers deserve to know whether their future investments are a risky choice.
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I absolutely agree with that! I'm not disagreeing with that one bit. I am a premium member and regularly purchase NC myself.

I don't agree with the panic part, however. The post could have been worded better to let players know without causing a chaotic scene. The last part of it has players believing that you guys were given information that the site is closing down.
archaeopteryx, March 8, 2015 8:17 PM NST
JS doesn't have to inform us of anything. They can terminate Neo at any point if they wanted to.
violetneopets, March 8, 2015 8:17 PM NST
There is another game company that I know had a huge promotion that encouraged people to spend real life money on their game THE DAY BEFORE THEY SHUT IT DOWN. You never know. JumpStart/TNT might not give a fair warning before they shut the site down.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:18 PM NST
Another repeated response, but:
They did not do that at all with Petpet Park.

^

Sorry, i've tried to keep up with the comments but I missed a huge hunk of them earlier.

I don't understand how that is legal.
m0rbid_kitt3n, March 8, 2015 8:20 PM NST
There is a lot of repeating what's already been said, since many will not read all of the comments and not all of the comments are being shown anyway.
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Then i'll just stop commenting. If other players have mentioned the same thing as me before me and you guys are still sticking up for your post then i'm wasting my breath, err... typing.... lol :p

If the site does continue on just fine after this then I sincerely hope you don't lose your place as a recommended fan site.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:20 PM NST
With all this being said, I also want to thank you JN. No matter what the fate is, you all have ALWAYS been such a pivotal part of game play. I hope so much that this all works out for the best (even though without TNT the essence is seemingly gone) because you all truly bring joy to game play also.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:21 PM NST
Dave received more detailed information than the rest of us were able to find out on our own through Facebook searches and such... If someone who has been so supportive of TNT and JS through all of this has given up hope, I'm sure that whatever detailed information he received from the source and can't share is enough to warrant such a response.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 8:21 PM NST
My concern is that we are hearing this information from an employer who was just "laid off". They are certainly going to be unhappy and may even make things appear more grim than they may truly be. I adore TNT, and the staff as they have always been, but do we know for a fact they were "laid off" or could they have used that terminology to save face rather than saying they were "fired".
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THANK YOU - I was wondering this too for a while, is not uncommon that unhappy people writhes or says stuff because of {the heat of the momment} without (or) knowing the results... like a revenge...

And everything looks so unrealistic from my point of view: we spend lots of money to buy the site, improve it, make it better and move all the info to just shut it down a year later... I mean.. if they just wanted the rights they would just shoot down the site ASAP right?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:21 PM NST
After all, he heard it straight from the horse's mouth, unlike most of the rest of us. That means the person who told him also didn't have any hope for the site.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:24 PM NST
And since his source is a very reputable former staff member who has always been very honest with all users, I don't think they would be overdramatic.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:27 PM NST
If someone who has been so supportive of TNT and JS through all of this has given up hope, I'm sure that whatever detailed information he received from the source and can't share is enough to warrant such a response.

^

While I understand this, without solid proof it is hard to definitely say anything. I am not doubting Dave, but I do doubt the source unfortunately. This post has created SO much speculation.

The "source" could be extremely upset about losing their job and could be making things out to be much worse than they really are. It just doesn't add up. They are putting so much into the app that connects to the website directly, why would they do something to jeopardize their new creation? We all know how witty TNT is, maybe they are bitter and hope that this "speculation" would cause users to revolt and quit.

If they wanted to they could pull the plug right now. Why would they wait if they had plans on dragging everything down?
escrainus, March 8, 2015 8:31 PM NST
And since his source is a very reputable former staff member who has always been very honest with all users, I don't think they would be overdramatic.
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I see, well yes if it has been very honest to the user it has more credibility, but like warning said and I tought... anyone can do anything in a momment of angry and/or despair, losing a job isn't something easy, and quoting warning - they just have spend a lot of resourses and released an app to just take everything out :/
waning, March 8, 2015 8:32 PM NST
Again, I don't mean to come off like I am arguing but I am trying to play devil's advocate here. I am trying so hard to not believe this is the downfall of Neopets. I guess I am just trying to grasp at any hope of this site's revival.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:34 PM NST
Sometimes you spend a lot of money and invest a lot of time in something that suddenly doesn't work out the way you thought it would... It's a fact of life.

They still have the app, whether they keep the site indefinitely or not. No one is saying that JumpStart just completely shot themselves in the foot. They still have options. The site, however, doesn't have a whole lot of options at this point.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 8:35 PM NST
...I really don't know what to say.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why JumpStart would create a new game app and link it to Neopets.com only to lay off a huge chunk of the Neopets staff, leaving just a skeleton crew.

It doesn't make sense. I can't believe it.
All I can do is shake my head in bewilderment and dismay...
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:36 PM NST
@waning- If you don't trust the source, would you trust JS if they posted a statement? Even when JS is financially motivated to try to lessen the panic to push NC/Premium sales?
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:39 PM NST
@burning_shadows_79- While I disagree with myself, I'll see if I can come up with something:

You acquire a 15 yr old website, likely poorly maintained, written in legacy code. It has a strong following, but in decline, and the demographic is outside of the rest of your company's offerings. People are nostaligic over the website, but mobile is the future, and the costs to fix the lag and continually fix the broken code (which will keep breaking - rewriting code is too expensive) will be massive.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:41 PM NST
The site, however, doesn't have a whole lot of options at this point.

^

I just don't honestly think that is true. I remain an optimist though.

I think comments like this are what is causing the hysteria on site. I respect your thoughts and opinions but being a staff member here also gives you a high level of credibility from other users. They will naturally take your word for fact. Don't you think it may be best to wait to hear what (if anything) JS has to say about the event before we close the door on the site ever having a future? I think a lot of users are making premature decisions about their accounts because of this whole post (I am aware they make their own decisions but as a very trusted source we value your thoughts). Again, I am grateful for this post (I am waiting to buy more NC for the time being), but I think dooming this action isn't the right step to take right now.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:42 PM NST
Perception of TNT and Support was highly negative (a bad image makes your company look less valuable), and people were spending less and less time on Neo (which could be due to age or lag). However, cute animals called Neopets can be very marketable. Many hold positive feelings about them.

For a company trying to tap into a new market, Neopets was likely an experiment for them. But it required too many resources for it to get back on its feet, far more than they could afford.
idriya, March 8, 2015 8:43 PM NST
There never was any hope. Pet sites are practically dead anyway. All the kids want to play on Facebook, apps, and MOBAs anway. Neopets is probably lucky to still be around; it probably should have been shut down a decade ago.

Welp, I guess I'm quitting Neopets, and to all the people who doubted TNT, JS, and the future of the site, well... congratulations on being right. I feel foolish for being optimistic now.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 8:44 PM NST
Waning is right...
Something here doesn't add up.

The timing of this move, from a business perspective, could not be more abysmal. Right after the release of Ghoul Catchers? Really?
I mean, what the Sloth is this!?

I don't know whether to believe it's true.
But if it is true... then this really is the end. No more plots. No more great content. No more engaging new places or events or characters that capture the imagination. Basically, no more Neopets site...

I will wait and watch. I have held on to dying games before, right until the last moment. I will say my goodbyes only when death finally occurs.
vitorplemes, March 8, 2015 8:44 PM NST
Hey everyone. All I want to say is: I'm with you all no matter what. I see a lot of drama though. But I actually don't judge anyone, as Rhea said we are all in the same boat. It's been 15 years (8 for me in about 1 month I think) and it's been a good time. If it's the end or not I don't know, but it will come one day so I have to be prepared. But I hope it's not close and good days are still coming. Though with all that we have seen lately show us a different thing that we expect (or want to). Anyway, love you all (and I agree with everything Rhea said btw lol)
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:45 PM NST
And for JS, being a mobile app developer, knows well how to produce apps, likely more than running a website just like Neo. It might be cheaper too.

So while to us the website is the best thing ever, to a JS exec they may see just a burden preventing them from making real progress.
starleogirl09, March 8, 2015 8:45 PM NST
Oh my goodness! This news breaks my heart

Those TNT staffers worked so hard to keep the site going and will definitely be missed!
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:45 PM NST
It's not dooming the site to say that its future looks very bleak when only a small fraction of the same staff that couldn't fix countless issues in the past 6+ months is left standing. It's pretty hard to see any good coming out of such a situation. If they had shown some ability to fix at least some of the issues we've been facing, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question, but there is honestly no reason to think that any good could come of this.
charlie_eppes_, March 8, 2015 8:47 PM NST
Here's my two cents for what little it's worth. I honestly don't see them keeping the type of workers they did, releasing a new app, with new items, just to close down the site. They're putting too much into it in my opinion. Things I CAN see them doing: Bringing in new people to try and get the site running normal again, making it more mobile/tablet friendly, and maybe even making it a non free site anymore. The third option of course is nothing anyone wants. But right now people need to take a moment and think, not just let themselves get swept up in the drama. Plus Jumpstart wouldn't have bought the site if they didn't think they could make money off of it.

The main thing is that they're not going to keep putting new things into something they're going to kill. Just remember that. Take deep breaths guys. It'll be okay. Just take a break from playing til tomorrow.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:47 PM NST
If you don't trust the source, would you trust JS if they posted a statement? Even when JS is financially motivated to try to lessen the panic to push NC/Premium sales?

^

If I knew the source I would trust it. Right now it is just hearsay. Again, I do value Dave's opinion but I personally have no idea who this "source" is. I don't put trust in things I have no idea about. As I said before this source could have been in a very heated moment. Even the strongest most honest people have weak moments, being laid off or fired definitely could provoke negative feelings towards the site.

All I know, if I was in the source's shoes, I would be immensely upset. I would want to see the person or company (JS in this instance) see the issue with their decision (i.e. the loss of "my" job), which would then be to see it decline.

My gut says you all are absolutely right. I do trust all past TNT staff just based on the services they provided. I am not goin
vitorplemes, March 8, 2015 8:48 PM NST
And probably that was said many times already (I didn't read everything, sorry!) but I think we are facing one of the 2:
1. They are firing to hire new people with brand new ideas and hum.. that might do that it's needed to be done.
2. They are firing to cut costs. (which is REALLY bad).

We all hope it's 1, but it might be 2. Let's just wait til they say something to us (are they?)
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:50 PM NST
The site will still be here tomorrow. It will surely still be here next week. Though with nothing new being added to the site without a content team and no ability to fix glitches, more parts of the site will be shut down completely until there's hardly anything left. Meanwhile, people who stick around only for one certain part of the site or another will have more reasons to leave.

Some people only stick around for the hope of Key Quest returning. Others only stick around for the site events. Others stick around for the creative contests. These are all things that will likely end up being cut sooner or later. With every part of the site that is scaled back, more people will leave.
pancaketime, March 8, 2015 8:50 PM NST
I really hope they make a statement/post news tomorrow, but am not especially hopeful.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 8:50 PM NST
@waning: I trust the source of Dave. Even if it's word of mouth, Dave put his name on this post and I know he wouldn't put his name on anything he didn't know down to the facts was true. Not something like this.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:50 PM NST
(c)

I am not going to deny that. Though, I cannot help but to hope that this is a premature worry. I may be in denial.

No. I am in denial. And sleep deprived.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:51 PM NST
I truly want to believe Neo will get out of this hole, but given the facts, it looks like it never will. And that's depressing. All I see JS giving up on the Neopets website and preparing it for its final days. I want to believe I could do something but there's really nothing we can do but see what happens come Monday.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 8:52 PM NST
@vitorplemes: We all know/assume it's the second one.

@nick: *sighs* I'll still be here to feed my pets occasionally and to complain. *shrugs*
waning, March 8, 2015 8:52 PM NST
With every part of the site that is scaled back, more people will leave.

^

Very true. It pains me to think of all the unpublished NT and Poetry contest submissions.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 8:54 PM NST
@waning: Heeeeeeeerdyyyyyyy, are you certain Dave doesn't want a JellyNeopian Times? 0:-)

I've got two comics that I created and sent in on the same day, after the times had been put on hiatus. Umm, yeah, this annoys me. Confound it, years of procrastinating and NOW it's too late. After I've put work into them.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 8:54 PM NST
Ironically, feeding our pets could be what the site is reduced to eventually. Though isn't that why Neopets was originally made? I guess it would be sort of poetic to go out the same way it came in.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 8:55 PM NST
I think comments like this are what is causing the hysteria on site. I respect your thoughts and opinions but being a staff member here also gives you a high level of credibility from other users. They will naturally take your word for fact. Don't you think it may be best to wait to hear what (if anything) JS has to say about the event before we close the door on the site ever having a future? I think a lot of users are making premature decisions about their accounts because of this whole post (I am aware they make their own decisions but as a very trusted source we value your thoughts).
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^ This

The main thing is that they're not going to keep putting new things into something they're going to kill.
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^ And this

I recommend users to not do any extreme decision like pounding pets, giving away items, deleting accounts and stuff like that, until we have a word from JS.

If they confirm a site shoot down, still... it would be a big waste of time and effort if
waning, March 8, 2015 8:55 PM NST
morganjoisle;;

You're right. Honestly. I don't doubt Dave at all. I just don't know about the mindset of the source. That's the one variable which could me making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Either way, there is nothing we can do to chance the outcome. What's done is done. In the end the real loss here is for those who lost their jobs. I hope so much that they all are able to find even better positions with more job security.
waning, March 8, 2015 8:57 PM NST
Heeeeeeeerdyyyyyyy, are you certain Dave doesn't want a JellyNeopian Times? 0:-)

^

A JN NT. Now that could be amazing!
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 8:59 PM NST
For anyone looking for "the future" in the shape of a mobile app, you may want to check out DragonVale. It doesn't have much lore (at least compared to Neopets), but it's still fun to build up a thriving collection of cute dragons. Freemium apps are where the money is these days.

But it's entirely possible that Neopets won't die... at least, not forever.
In the past, computer games have fallen through and made way for mobile apps, so a number of old classics have been remade. My favourite game from when I was a kid, "Zoombinis", is currently being redeveloped for mobile devices. It's entirely possible that if the Neopets website shuts down entirely, someone new will come along in a few years' time, acquire the rights for a pittance, and rebuild Neopets for the modern age. That's probably the best we can hope for now.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 8:59 PM NST
We are Neopets. We rose from the ashes like the mighty Phoenix and we will prevail, or die trying. Some might doubt us, some might attempt to destroy us, but we will remain strong. It is in the face of defeat we must stare down our enemy and look to the future. Tomorrow can be bright if we only know where to find the light. Stay brave, my friends. Stay brave.

*steps down from soapbox and rocks back and forth*
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 9:01 PM NST
I really don't see how you can expect them to say anything useful about the situation, if anything at all. They aren't going to say anything negative about their own business, and even if they don't actually know what they plan on doing from here on out, they will make sure to have it sound like they do in whatever the may possibly say.

Though honestly I expect nothing but continued silence, as has always been the trend.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 9:01 PM NST
Post got cut - too many letters

I recommend users to not do any extreme decision like pounding pets, giving away items, deleting accounts and stuff like that, until we have a word from JS.

If they confirm a site shoot down, still... it would be a big waste of time and effort if they just dump everything before the end. And if all was just a misunderstanding or if JS gets a change of heart, it will be very painful know that everything you worked for is gone but the site...

For the ones that already do any of the above, hope they can recover most of their stuff
tyuio_k50, March 8, 2015 9:03 PM NST
@buring_shadows - Are you serious?! I LOVED Zoombinis!
kirable, March 8, 2015 9:04 PM NST
I don't know... I mean, Neo still *clearly* has a willing and loyal fan base. I just can't see why anyone would buy a company with paying customers only to shut the doors a few months in. I have to believe that they're just making room to try and hire people more capable of running the site properly.

At the very least, I'll save my hysteria for an official confirmation.
lilyofdeath, March 8, 2015 9:04 PM NST
like our pets often say: "Today doesn't seem to be a very good day."
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 9:05 PM NST
like our pets often say: "Today doesn't seem to be a very good day."
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Why don't you just paint me Grey if you're gonna leave me like this?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 9:06 PM NST
If you choose not to panic, that's fine. No one is saying to panic... but it's better for most people if they have time to adjust to a possible end than for it to suddenly be sprung on them when they go to log in one day and find out they cannot. (Another thing that happened already under JumpStart's ownership with Petpet Park.)
lilyofdeath, March 8, 2015 9:07 PM NST
@stories2btold: and I happen to be using the Grey Day site theme xD
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:08 PM NST
...Perhaps JumpStart already intend to move Neopets away from its clunky old website and into the mobile realm. Weren't there mobile versions of games like Meerca Chase and Sutek's Tomb under development at some point?
Forget the office move... THAT would be a REAL transition.

For one thing, there'd be no economy, like shops and restocking... it'd all be single players. No trading. NP and NC would be earned by individual players and never exchanged, and if that wasn't enough, you could buy it through micro-transactions. Much like DragonVale, really.

I'd actually like to see that...
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 9:08 PM NST
As the saying goes:
"Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."
kirable, March 8, 2015 9:09 PM NST
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with speculating, or preparing, but we don't know anything for certain yet. There's no point in everyone assuming the worst.

It's just a Sunday night, we haven't heard anything in a while, and we're all just starting to spiral and become paranoid. Best to step away from the keyboards for a night and see where the chips fall. Nothing we can really do anyways.
stories2btold, March 8, 2015 9:10 PM NST
@lilyofdeath

That's morbid.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:10 PM NST
@tyuio_k50 - Yep. They're raising funds even now for the redevelopment. Zoombinis will be coming to mobile devices and modern computers in the middle of this year... I can't wait!
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:13 PM NST
...When I say "mobile devices", I actually mean tablets. Several of the Zoombinis puzzles wouldn't fit on a tiny phone screen... you'd need a microscope to play them.
lasergu, March 8, 2015 9:13 PM NST
"It's not dooming the site to say that its future looks very bleak when only a small fraction of the same staff that couldn't fix countless issues in the past 6+ months is left standing."

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Maybe that's the reason for the "downsizing" in the first place? Focusing on ironing out all the technical issues before molding the site into whatever they want it to be, or, ideally for the players, making it a refined version of what is was before?
john3637881, March 8, 2015 9:16 PM NST
There's a problem: I don't actually want Neopets to go into the mobile realm. This sounds selfish, but I have a flip phone and there's no way I'm downloading anything on that. xD On top of that, I think that Ipads are a waste of time. So it'd basically be that Neopets would be shutting me out. A fitting end to their #1 Complainer. But only because I cared.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 9:17 PM NST
@nick: "(Another thing that happened already under JumpStart's ownership with Petpet Park.)" Thank you for referencing this. I need this to be said, and it's reassuring to know that I'm not the only one made miserable by that event. *hugs* It's a good example, and I like that you're someone who uses it but really states it clearly and in a matter-of-fact, good, understandable way.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:17 PM NST
@stories2btold: "We are Neopets. We rise from the ashes like the mighty Phoenix and we will prevail, or die trying. Some might doubt us, some might attempt to destroy us, but we will remain strong. It is in the face of defeat we must stare down our enemy and look to the future. Tomorrow can be bright if we only know where to find the light. Stay brave, my friends. Stay brave."

Yes! Even as we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, we shall fear no ev-- wait, was that THE GHOST OF HUBRID NOX?
kirable, March 8, 2015 9:18 PM NST
Perhaps they're temporarily halting content etc. to actually (finally) work out all the technical site kinks with new programmers before they hire new staff to take the site in the directed they had originally planned? While I might doubt that, you never know. Always multiple possibilities...

I just don't see any reason for all this mass-panic just yet.
kouza, March 8, 2015 9:18 PM NST
As wary as I am for the future of Neopia, I'm equally a little upset that these TNT sources will only share information with close friends and associates like Jellystaff, while the rest of us are out there panicking.

I'm not saying we should violate anyone's privacy and I'm not saying I have enough interests in common to maintain a friendship with anyone on TNT. But didn't any of the ex-staffers think we would wanna hear something about this? It'd be one thing for them to be totally silent, but they're saying things and not letting the rest of us know.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:20 PM NST
@john3637881: I understand entirely. But unfortunately, that's where Neopets has to be if it wants to attract new users and make real money.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 9:24 PM NST
@burning_shadows_79: Sadly, you're absolutely right. Truth be told, this site is largely still in the 90's. And I like it that way. If Jumpstart sees the future as some sort of mobile game thing, fine, and financially, I'll bet they're right. But that's a future of Neopets I won't be a part of.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:26 PM NST
@kirable... but they downsized the programming department too.
This isn't for repairs. It's a phasing out of the site itself.

Like I said above, the real money nowadays is in freemium mobile apps like DragonVale, so if you want a dynamic game which introduces new content regularly (which is what Neopets always has been), then that's what it has to be.

There's no point maintaining the house if the foundations are crumbling. Much better to take it down and rebuild it on new foundations.
And for that reason... there is hope yet for a full revival of Neopets.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 9:26 PM NST
@john3637881: If that's where neopets is going, too, I don't think I will be a part of it.

It's getting unattached to me as I realize how unpleasant it is to play as it is, but I'm not going to be dragged over if it's some non-private, mobile thing that I have to play. I'm attached to my desktop, confound it, and I want my desktop virtual world!
inkpot, March 8, 2015 9:26 PM NST
@john: haha, i'm with ya on that one. i've got an old phone as well - and it works perfectly fine for what i need so i don't see myself getting a smart phone anytime soon.

if neo went mobile i guess i'd be screwed too... though even if i had a new fancy phone i still don't think the idea of mobile!neopets would interest me sadly.
charlie_eppes_, March 8, 2015 9:27 PM NST
I'm glad to see people are thinking now while posting. I see a lot of people agreeing with the way I'm thinking. I just wish the rest of everyone else would do the same now haha. Thank you guys.
escrainus, March 8, 2015 9:27 PM NST
@kouza: and it is appreciated that they want to share information, but doing so without any reference other than "a trusted source" makes hard to belive all the panyc is worth it :/
rosi, March 8, 2015 9:28 PM NST
I agree 100 percent with John. I don't own a mobile phone but more importantly my pc is much safer and better protected against scams than any mobile device. Even my sister who owns a smartphone and a tablet has always been very wary of playing Neopets on mobiles for account security reasons. That said, I don't really have anything else to add other than sitting in a dark corner and wailing for our beloved site's sudden demise Truth be said, I joined Neo a decade ago for consolation after a tragic event and in the last four horrible years when I lost everything it was my only escape and I really don't know what to think now Sorry I sound so utterly miserable.
imaworththemoney, March 8, 2015 9:29 PM NST
Great now I've been sucked into Goatlings.

***

Coming soon- JellyGoatlings.

Sorry, joking is my coping mechanism.
johanna11, March 8, 2015 9:29 PM NST
@john3637881 - I feel the same way, I absolutely hate change and I don't think I'd follow neo into modernization. Perhaps modernizing and refreshing neopets may be for the best, but it won't be the same in the least. Mobile games are all pretty much the same anyways.
prplecat, March 8, 2015 9:30 PM NST
I imagine that any payments given with the layoff would come with a non-disclosure clause. If so, we'll never hear from TNT staffers. It would cost them too much.
johanna11, March 8, 2015 9:32 PM NST
Forgot to mention that the site being stale and stuck in the past is probably whats keeping me here anyways.
john3637881, March 8, 2015 9:34 PM NST
If this truly is the end, then what needs to happen is for Jellyneo to convert itself into some sort of posterity site with message boards where you can actually write things without getting banned? Maybe?
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 9:38 PM NST
http://goatlings.jellyneo.net
kouza, March 8, 2015 9:39 PM NST
I'll be honest, I clicked it.
burning_shadows_79, March 8, 2015 9:39 PM NST
I know it'd be hard for some people to adjust to a mobile-based Neopets, and many would stop playing rather than make the transition.

But that's why the phrase "out with the old, in with the new" includes the words "out with the old". If you're too afraid of alienating people who are attached to the old ways, you'll never be able to bring in new fans.
toulouse777, March 8, 2015 9:39 PM NST
Condolences to the fired staff members! And many thanks to them for all their hard work over these numerous years! *salute*
All we can do now is hope and pray for the best....
waterdragon386, March 8, 2015 9:40 PM NST
Night is now falling
So ends this day
The road is now calling
And I must away
Over hill, and under tree
Through lands where light has shined
By silver streams that run down to the sea

To these memories I will hold
With your bleesing I will go
To turn at last to paths that lead home
And through were the road then takes me
I cannot tell
We came all this way
But now comes the day
To bid you farewell

I bid you all a very fond farewell.
girly_chalmers, March 8, 2015 9:40 PM NST
I'm going to put my 2 cents in here: If Neopets tries to go onto mobile, it will be VERY different. We're going to get a freemium game on the app store with almost no connection to Neopets. They'll find a way to turn it into another Clash of Clans. That's where the most money is.

It's a shame Neopets is ending. I guess this is just one of those things. I'm just surprised this happened directly after them decided they were going to fix things.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 9:41 PM NST
As wary as I am for the future of Neopia, I'm equally a little upset that these TNT sources will only share information with close friends and associates like Jellystaff, while the rest of us are out there panicking.
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Well there's a reason Dave knew and it didn't likely have anything to do with favoritism. Saying why he got the message, though, might in turn expose the former employee.
lasimone1981, March 8, 2015 9:43 PM NST
Although this is the very least of my concerns regarding my home (which is, essentially, what Neopia has been to me over the past years) I wonder....if the MME will still morph tomorrow....
kouza, March 8, 2015 9:44 PM NST
@Nick

So is it a non-disclosure thing? Can Dave even SAY it's a non-disclosure thing?
riddled_stars, March 8, 2015 9:49 PM NST
I just can't fathom where I would fit into neopets without the content... the games are okay, but aren't why I stuck around.
I don't have a smartphone/FB, so the mobile route also cuts me out.
So far all we've seen are giant messes and things getting shut down. Whether the site is closing or not, it's already been crushed into an empty husk.
They really need to tell us their plans for neopets because even without this new info, there's not a whole lot of positive to assume.
tama70406, March 8, 2015 9:52 PM NST
Well there's a reason Dave knew and it didn't likely have anything to do with favoritism. Saying why he got the message, though, might in turn expose the former employee.
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Herdy has already said on the neoboards that it was comastar lol
tama70406, March 8, 2015 9:56 PM NST
http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=156924424
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:03 PM NST
It was Comastar? Was Herdy not supposed to let that slip?
cal_chetty, March 8, 2015 10:04 PM NST
Panic aside, I'm just gonna wait and ride out this mass of doomsday messages. I'm hoping for the best because i love this site. And despite the lags and whatnot, I prefer it to Facebook. It introduced me to pc gaming and got me over the fact that my parents were anti-pets (real ones that it is). *raises glass of chocolate milk* Here's to much more illuminating and less confuddling news tomorrow. (I hate time zones - I keep forgetting news day on Neopets does not equal NZ Mondays )
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:06 PM NST
Well I suppose since the cat is out of the bag... Dave was in the process of arranging JNCon, which was just about to be finalized when it got called off completely with the terrible news.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:07 PM NST
So the reason he was told was basically to tell us not to come.
waning, March 8, 2015 10:08 PM NST
Oh gosh.
lasimone1981, March 8, 2015 10:09 PM NST
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:11 PM NST
@girly_chalmers: Dad would actually play neopets again if it were like clash of clans. lol That's the game he plays now instead.
lonibee06, March 8, 2015 10:13 PM NST
If Jumpstart sees the future as some sort of mobile game thing, fine, and financially, I'll bet they're right. But that's a future of Neopets I won't be a part of.
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I agree, john. And I own a smartphone, a kindle, blah, blah... but I like to play on a big computer screen. If it's only going to be mobile, I will also be done. c'est la vie!
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:13 PM NST
Ahh.

That's sour, sour news. For what it's worth, I always was very jealous and hateful of jnCon, and I'm very sorry.

But was that a secret? Why couldn't Jellystaff let the cat out earlier? Fear of non-disclosure reprisal and upon seeing Herdy reveal info suddenly everyone's courage is up? If so, as long as your courage is up, anything more to report, or is that the long and short of it?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:15 PM NST
@nick: JNCon. I was always obscenely jealous of that and it made me want to squee and die of happiness and Mossy Rocks and Glass Paintbrushes.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:18 PM NST
Dave didn't want the name out there in case some sort of action is taken against them, though they've already got a job lined up to replace the old one. I don't think Herdy knew Dave had said he was keeping it secret on purpose, since Dave said it only via comment... And the first page of comments is now long, long gone.
yekith, March 8, 2015 10:19 PM NST
Ok, I'm back and can't read back much cause I have stuff to do I neglected (and no idea what JNcon is so I'm lost here lol!), but downloading of flash version of pets can't be done 'cause the parts download separately. I'm finally using a screen recorder from a program I already had. But they come up so slow cause like it said, slow olddddd computer that gets even slower once you click the record button on those programs!

But I mostly need to keep an animated version of my Gelert cause he's not himself without his moving eyes.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:20 PM NST
@nick: Yeah... Ah, poor Herdy. Poor Comastar, too, but at least this way everyone's definitely going to see the proof as more valid. *sighs* *huggles Herdy and Dave*
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:21 PM NST
@yekith: http://www.jellyneo.net/?go=jncon&year=2011

OMG I forgot you had this last year. *is jealous*
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:22 PM NST
Anyway, like I said... It was someone who has always been very open and honest with users in the past.
tama70406, March 8, 2015 10:22 PM NST
Oh I didn't mean to get Herdy in any trouble, I just thought it was weird that people were still hush hush
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:23 PM NST
OMG I don't think I ever saw the last two years of those. Of happiness and jealousness and squeels-ish-ness.
nick - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:25 PM NST
You didn't see the last two years because last year TNT cancelled last minute after finding out they'd be moving in September, and two years ago they never sent us the pictures.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:25 PM NST
Seeing the staff there so happy just makes this hurt a lot worse.
yekith, March 8, 2015 10:27 PM NST
Oh, I never pay much attention to Cons for some reason. Of any kind. Probably cause it's not like I could go to any so I just don't care. xD

Ok, back to what I'm doing 'cause it's taking me centuries today.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:27 PM NST
You do h 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 up now, so at least we did get pictures of other stuff with you super cool stuff!!! *huggles Nick and Ummy*
*huggles all the staff here for being amazing and still alive and well and not fired *
inkpot, March 8, 2015 10:28 PM NST
why keep us all in the dark though? if the site really is going to be sleeping with the fishes, wouldn't you just come out and say? why let people get their hopes up? let people play knowing that these next few weeks may be their last to say goodbye and enjoy the last few memories on a site they grew up on...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:30 PM NST
@nick: I'm sad about you guys not getting to go to the office. *super thrilled to see Herdy's face, though, because he is super famous neopian times writer who I've been wondering about/gawking at his staff pic for years*
randeh, March 8, 2015 10:36 PM NST
I can't believe this, it's devastating news for sure.
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:37 PM NST
@Inkpot

It was to protect the ex-TNT who might've gotten reprised upon by Jumpstart for spilling the beans about this. Once their career futures are secure and they no longer have to worry about getting sued by Jumpstart for defamation or whatever, then we get our tell-all.
yekith, March 8, 2015 10:38 PM NST
Half done with neglected stuff. I keep saving NP things in between. *sigh*

***
I have the feeling, like someone said earlier, that tomorrow we'll get the Gelert stuff plus some other stuff that was also ready, and NO mention of any issue. Not a hint. Nada.
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:40 PM NST
I think what's especially heartbreaking is that TNT trusted Jumpstart. They BELIEVED in Jumpstart! And in hindsight it seems almost childishly innocent of them to believe that a site focused on mobile gaming would be willing to support Neopets. The common man might've thought "Why would Jumpstart support this site? That's not the business they do." But somehow TNT believed. Those guys are one of a kind for believing this far.
inkpot, March 8, 2015 10:45 PM NST
...








well... tbh, i think i may be shedding some tears once we get the official word...
prplecat, March 8, 2015 10:47 PM NST
I wonder...how many of the staff who lost their jobs had been there since nearly the beginning?
yekith, March 8, 2015 10:48 PM NST
Might feel shamed right after but I think I'll cry too. Almost 11 years is a lot.
ummy - JN Staff, March 8, 2015 10:48 PM NST
http://www.neopets.com/ntimes/index.phtml?section=editorial&week=597


Y2 (2000)
Sweets
Golden Child
Jimmy James
Subordinate Prime
Tiger Catcher
Viola
El Picklesaur
Bubbles
Mr. Insane

Y3 (2001)
DJ Skellington

Y4 (2002)
Animator Zim
Dragona
snarkie

Dunno how many were still working there then
jamba_jukeba, March 8, 2015 10:50 PM NST
I am shocked and saddened by this. Neopets has been my life for the 11 years I've been playing it. I knew it wasn't going to last forever, but I didn't expect it to go out like this. Oh well. I feel for those who lost their jobs, but I'm sure they all saw it coming. Nonetheless, I'm curious as to what JS will do next. If, like some of you speculated, they decide to use Neopets characters in their merchandise, I'm sure it's gonna be cool.
celestia_winner, March 8, 2015 10:51 PM NST
I'll admit I've been crying off and on since I read this. I've had an account for 14 years and I honestly don't know what I'll do if it goes kaput. I've had these pets longer than any real life ones
prplecat, March 8, 2015 10:51 PM NST
They had to move after the sale, right? Didn't the office move a good distance away?
lunaxporch, March 8, 2015 10:56 PM NST
@ celestia winner I'm glad I'm not the emotional nut that teared up when I read this.
kouza, March 8, 2015 10:57 PM NST
@jamba_jukeba

Not likely very cool unless you're familiar with the type of product they make. If you like their mobile games this is probably good news. More mobile games, but featuring Neopets.

Also, I don't think they saw it coming at all. They had nothing but good things and defenses when Jumpstart was first announced their corporate overlords. They were gonna build a life together! An app together! And then out of the blue Jumpstart calls TNT to tell them that it's over and they're cheating on TNT with the mobile market.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 10:57 PM NST
@prplecat: I don't know how far they moved...
But if they moved for THIS, I feel horrible for them. Ulgh, Xantan, TNT, how could you do this? ... Jumpstart, really. I'm so used to referring to them as TNT. You know, all of TNT and them, I just call the entire ruling body of this site TNT. It's really, people who fire the staff, Jumpstart people, how could you DO this TO TNT?!?!?!??! *huggles all of TNT* I never got to know a single one of them, but they're TNT to me. I love them all - they were Neopets. They ran neopets! They ARE neopets! *sighs* We'll miss ya, TNT.
prplecat, March 8, 2015 10:58 PM NST
@ lunaxporch- I'm glad that I'm not so hateful as to judge others by honest emotion.
inkpot, March 8, 2015 10:59 PM NST
@celestia_winner: i feel the same... i'm not sure where i'm going to go once this is all over either... all the people i've met and all the memories just... idk... go down the drain?

none of my RL friends or family know i play so it'll almost be like this all never happened. :/ 12 years of good times and bad just gone... poof

really kinda hope a new fan site would go up... kinda like leopets (? i guess) but without the whole limited membership thing. idk
yekith, March 8, 2015 11:02 PM NST
@celestia_winner Same. One of my Neopets (a Lupe) is even based on a dog that died many years ago already. I adored that dog so much. And it might be stupid but thinking the virtual one will "die" too makes me want to cry. Saving an image is not the same. I won't be able to do anything with him anymore.

That pet together with my Gelert and Korbat (those two are as old as my account -on created on adopted) are the ones making me the saddest.
jamba_jukeba, March 8, 2015 11:07 PM NST
@kouza

Well, I don't know what was going on in JS. But to elaborate on my comment about how some of TNT might have seen it coming: a lot of times, even though things seem optimistic, employees know somehow in their gut that their future at the company is uncertain, which I know from experience.

Anyway, I've been feeling pretty sad after hearing about this today. I dug up an Neopets fanfic I wrote and read it for nostalgia.
lunaxporch, March 8, 2015 11:10 PM NST
@ celestia winner I'm glad I'm not the emotional nut that teared up when I read this.

That was actually supposed to say I am not the only emotional nut, not the emotional nut. Sorry typo. I was sypathatic and in agreement I'm glad I'm not the one who jumps on people and calls them hateful for making a typo.
kouza, March 8, 2015 11:10 PM NST
Here's what I wanna know: What happens to the Big Book Of Lore they allegedly have?
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:11 PM NST
@kouza: Probably nobody'll ever read it again. *shrugs shoulders and sighs* I've never read it myself, so I have no idea myself.
archaeopteryx, March 8, 2015 11:11 PM NST
I must admit my opinion of jumpstart has pretty much plummeted to near absolute zero (even though that scale doesn't make sense to use).
inkpot, March 8, 2015 11:12 PM NST
@lunaxporch: was that comment really necessary? has it crossed your mind that MAYBE some people have more emotional ties to this site than you? that doesn't make them a "nut". though that does make you something...
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:14 PM NST
@archaeopteryx: Pretty sure we haven't seen the negatives it could come to yet.

@inkpot: It did seem a bit harsh, though thankfully it appears to have been a harmless typo that made all the difference.
celestia_winner, March 8, 2015 11:15 PM NST
lunaxporch I understood you the first time, I speak typoese
I just want to be able to hang out with my pets, the rest of the site is all just extras to be honest. But if Neo goes to some mobile-type game I fear for their futures.
lunaxporch, March 8, 2015 11:18 PM NST
Why don't you read my second post inkpot. Take a minute. Okay do you see how it wasn't offensive. I'm not going to stand here and argue(not standing) PS I teared up also and was agreeing. Being an emotional nut is not a bad thing. I count myself in their number. If the person I was speaking to took offense than I apologize as for the rest, don't care.
yekith, March 8, 2015 11:20 PM NST
I've been mostly customizing lately, so if they left the site like it is, I'd be happy with what we already have. I mean, much better than no site at all. :/
jamba_jukeba, March 8, 2015 11:21 PM NST
Don't worry; I cried, too. I've been really feeling down all day. Losing Neopets is like losing a longtime childhood friend.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:24 PM NST
@lunaxporch: How your original post came off as, though, with the typo very well justified inkpot's response.
I'm glad someone was willing to come to the defenses, even if it wasn't me in this case.
amunet, March 8, 2015 11:25 PM NST
I will cry, I will.

We can't loose neo ... we can't
inkpot, March 8, 2015 11:25 PM NST
whoa, hold on there. i am not constantly refreshing this page every minute to see if something was a typo or not.

THO

i apologize, luna...
oddly enough (or not so oddly enough - what better day to troll than today) there was someone going around earlier on the boards acting in a similar manner to your post with the "typo". and i thought maybe you were the same person.

regardless, that was one horrible typo to make, haha.

morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:27 PM NST
@amunet: I don't think it's closing just yet, darling. It's still up at the moment, and the essential staff to maintain it as it is now is still left.
yekith, March 8, 2015 11:29 PM NST
Sadly, in all situations similar to this one, you always find people who really are that insensitive (glad it was a typo in this case)!

Like, just because they don't feel anything (or not anymore) for something, anyone who does is automatically stupid.
star9837, March 8, 2015 11:32 PM NST
Wow this pretty much sounds like they're either going to shut Neo down and just make mobile games/etc or they really want a fresh start. So far JumpStart is no better than Viacom now. I can't believe everything is so close to being over. It's like when Naruto ended. It had been going on for 15 years. That's pretty much most of my life! (20 years currently) Neo has pretty much been the same amount of time for me. It feels unreal. This looks really bleak for Neo. In the mean time no big purchases on my end. I'll still do some because wow that would make the site tank further if no one spent anything but nothing I wouldn't regret spending.
morganjoisle, March 8, 2015 11:34 PM NST
@star9837: The money is likely going into the same people who laid off almost all the staff's pockets, darling. Sure some is going to pay the remaining staff, but any profit will go the management and whoever's in charge of things and calling these shots at Jumpstart.
amunet, March 8, 2015 11:36 PM NST
@morganjoisle
Thank you very much, your caring means a lot

I cried

Health issues happened to me last year and I came back to neo to help with it. I've been a part of neo for over 13 years
archaeopteryx, March 8, 2015 11:37 PM NST
morganjoisle, 03/8/2015, 11:14 pm NST
@archaeopteryx: Pretty sure we haven't seen the negatives it could come to yet.


Actually, that's a good point. My expectations for Neo anymore are always being lowered, which is depressing.

On another note, Naruto ended?! I thought it was still going *is really out of touch*
yekith, March 8, 2015 11:38 PM NST
Yeah I agree. I'll probably just spend the little NC left on my accounts (which was free except for in my main). If JS wants more money, then they'll have to do something for it. Like, communicate with us, keep the site going and actually improve things.
inkpot, March 8, 2015 11:40 PM NST
naruto ending is a great comparison actually... especially since it's ending was not the ending a lot of people were happy with either...
shayyy, March 8, 2015 11:52 PM NST
plz neopets don't die you've been my friend since '00

no, but for real.
jomarcenter, March 8, 2015 11:53 PM NST
This is the reason why I hated when company buy out another company I sense a shutdown is happening.

Before Neopets I play Gopets as a virtual pet game but since it was buy out to Zynga my favorite game is now DEAD since they just shut it down. This is why I am also boycotting Zynga. Gopets was a best pet simulator game.

And don't get me started how EA treat their buy out companies.
charlie_eppes_, March 8, 2015 11:58 PM NST
LEt's not even bring EA into this. I'm still pretty ticked with them and their people.
thaliel, March 8, 2015 11:59 PM NST
I wouldn't see Neopets as it is completely ending. Not when there is so many other succesful petsites out there like aywas
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 12:00 AM NST
If is there a possibility of Neopets going to be shutdown. Which with all my experience with MMORPG gaming, and Online gaming. What would happened with jellyneo? I mean Neopets is the reason why jellyneo exist in the first place.
archaeopteryx, March 9, 2015 12:04 AM NST
Since they did lay off all of the content creators, there's the possibility that there might not be any news tomorrow, and possibly for at least a bit of time to come, which would be even more sad if that were to happen.
yekith, March 9, 2015 12:38 AM NST
Ahhh, finally free. Even with some minutes to spare before dailies time ('cause as long as the site's still up, dailies time is sacred!).
weezybaby, March 9, 2015 12:47 AM NST
http://www.neopets.com/~Shadaa

nostalgia....


yekith, March 9, 2015 12:59 AM NST
Ohh, that page was nice and interesting to see, Weezy!

I don't think I remember glow font. O_O Was that banned soon? Or maybe I just didn't visit the boards much. xD
yekith, March 9, 2015 1:02 AM NST
Boring lab ray. Just got "and she doesn't change at all" on my both lab accounts. :/
weezybaby, March 9, 2015 1:44 AM NST
glow font was from the very beginning, i honestly forgot all about it!
weezybaby, March 9, 2015 1:44 AM NST
i think it just went out of style, the coding options were probably too vast with code changing over time
weezybaby, March 9, 2015 1:46 AM NST
I think it was when the list went down the left side of the screen, instead of across the top as it does now
mstr_dark, March 9, 2015 1:52 AM NST
This feels like Meteor Games all over again.

Massive Layoffs until a Skeleton Crew, less and less content, then one day they just... disappeared.

Honestly, I thought Neopets would outlast Gaia Online, but I guess the money-grubbing CEO allows Gaia to stay afloat, while Jumpstart just puts duct tape over the holes.

We'll see what happens, but I'm not feeling too optimistic with this news and my past experiences.
prplecat, March 9, 2015 1:53 AM NST
JumpStart is owned by Knowledge Adventure, which was financed in 2008 by venture capitalist firms Telesoft Partners and Azure Capital. KA's website lists no more recent business changes, so I would guess that those two firms still have control.
prplecat, March 9, 2015 1:54 AM NST
Arjun Gupta

Chief Believer, Founder and Managing Partner, TeleSoft Partners

Aspen, Colorado
Venture Capital & Private Equity
prplecat, March 9, 2015 1:56 AM NST
Azure Capital Partners

Founders:
Mike Kwatinetz, Paul Ferris, Paul Weinstein, Cameron Lester
Headquarters:
San Francisco, CA
Description:
Azure Capital Partners is a venture capital firm with over $750 million under management, headquartered in San Francisco, California.
prplecat, March 9, 2015 1:57 AM NST
That's what I came up with. Have fun, folks!
prplecat, March 9, 2015 2:01 AM NST
Oh...JumpStart.com was launched exactly one year after those two venture capital firms made their investments. In March of 2009. They seem to make large decisions in March, for some arcane reason. Weird.
prplecat, March 9, 2015 2:09 AM NST
I'm old, grumpy, and sick. You younger folks should bombard the firms with demands for an explanation. You will NOT likely hear back from them, but if you're annoying enough, they might apply pressure on JumpStart to do something.
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 2:26 AM NST
Jumpstart started way to long before neopets They started to developed educational game programs even before Neopets came in 1994. They specialized in educational games and was proudly been used in educational facilities around the world. But then in 2005 the quality of games started to drop a lot for jumpstart if you based on how they make it educational in their past product and their current product. Their main line product is a bundle of educational materials from Math to History apparently with a Story Plot which normally other educational games didn't tackle at that time. But then they started to sell it individually and mostly their uniqueness also loss at that point since they don't release educational games with a story or a plot it just "1+1 = 2" in your face now and with a subscription fee (I mean were talking how they make and sell games in the past and they just put a $$$ a month for their products now). After reading their current company history and stu
prplecat, March 9, 2015 2:29 AM NST
JumpStart started a long time ago under Knowledge Adventure, but the website was launched in 2009. My 18 yo son had some of the interactive books that went on a machine when he was a tot.
rodgerflint, March 9, 2015 2:33 AM NST
It looks like someone was warning us about this.

There's a chance that wraiths will come pouring into Neopia again and swamp the world in darkness. You can help stop this from happening by completing our quests. To aid us, I've asked the Soup Faerie and Baelia the grey faerie to provide quests as well.

Seems like a storyline handwave to explain the death of a world to me...
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 2:44 AM NST
@Rodgerflint or maybe The Faeries' Ruin Part 2 since we still in the dark about Xandra at this point. I means we all know she turned to stone but It been a while and you completed Altador mini-plot We all know the fact that Stone spells don't last long since The Darkest Faerie escaped her spells (With our help apparently) so I was thinking some guy accidentally release Xandra in her spell and thus the part 2 of the plot will happened.
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 2:44 AM NST
Typo alert: And if you already completed*

And also sorry for being a little off-topic there.
burning_shadows_79, March 9, 2015 4:12 AM NST
Jomar... there won't be any more plots. Not with no content staff...

Although, something did occur to me. Even if JumpStart hasn't hired any more people overall, perhaps some of their existing app-development staff have been transferred from other projects into a Neopets project?

Even if JumpStart was only after the rights to Neopets' content, I can see no reason why they'd swallow the company if they intended to do nothing with the rights.
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 4:23 AM NST
I'm sure they could outsource art to India (as bad as it sounds) since JS seems to have employees there, but the complete lack of content staff and other employees seem to suggest they intend to run the site on life support.
burning_shadows_79, March 9, 2015 4:33 AM NST
I know that about the website, I was talking about possible development of Neopets for mobile...
I just don't want Neopets to die.
burning_shadows_79, March 9, 2015 4:41 AM NST
...Are dailies broken for anyone else? I got the exact same results today as I did yesterday for Anchor Management, Forgotten Shore, TDMBGPOP, Weltrude's Toy Chest, and the Deserted Tomb...
The Flash-based ones and the ones where you answer a question seem to be working OK, so maybe it's just the "press a button" ones that are broken...
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 4:43 AM NST
It's weirdly sad doing my FQ today, with the knowledge that this may be nearing the end of the last traditional Neopets event. (Also, because stats are sort of meaningless to me with no new BD stuff in the future.)
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 4:46 AM NST
I was unable to get jelly. I got the "only one per day" notice, even though I haven't collected it yet.
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 4:48 AM NST
Might just be the usual, everyday-these-days sort of glitch, though.
lexigirl60, March 9, 2015 4:50 AM NST
this is the 2 of 3 accounts that i have had during the dozen years i have interacted with the neopets site. love the lite, games, and characters. will miss the creativity that i have been witness to during that time. did wonder, during these times of lag, since the purchase, it the new owners were trying to get us to abandon this site with all the problems...guess they may be starting with the staff...know thing, if these newly released sources of creativity and knowledge go off and start another virtual world game/site, i will be checking into it.
burning_shadows_79, March 9, 2015 5:13 AM NST
Guess this means there won't be an Altador Cup X, either.
I'm sort of relieved about that in a way. At least it can't be hijacked by cheating if it's not taking place.
But... no more plots, ever again... NOOOOOOOO!!
burning_shadows_79, March 9, 2015 5:19 AM NST
I wonder what to do with my battle pet...
I had been saving codestones from the Koi Warrior (which I call "codestone caviar" to beef up my Pteri's strength in case of a future plot. But now it looks like that'll never happen.

No wonder this year's Faerie Quest event included a warning about an impending attack by the shadow wraiths. OBLIVION IS COMING...
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 5:26 AM NST
If jumpstart started to shutdown neopets and do "hey try our games since were shutting down your favorite website" tactics in my face I would start Boycotting their products (even tho I don't own any of their products).
morganjoisle, March 9, 2015 5:29 AM NST
@jomarcenter: I've been done putting more actual money out of my pocket into this site since Petpet Park closed. Pretty much, I'm going with your tactic, too, even though not once in my life have I ever used any sort of Jumpstart product, and even as a child I suppose I wasn't their intended audience. *shrugs and prefers neopets*
morganjoisle, March 9, 2015 5:31 AM NST
@ummy: Seems accurate. *shrugs* Good picture to paint, and I don't think I'd want content run in India.
Besides that the ethicality of a company who fires all the longtime employees are obviously only sourced there to get away with cheap labour, I do see the site on life support.
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 5:39 AM NST
Looking at all the items, etc. on my account, and thinking about how what remained of the people at TNT who created them were just fired, puts a bad taste in my mouth. I'll stay tuned (and take care of my pets as long as they are there), but I can't imagine ever having much enthusiasm for what JS does with the IP.
jomarcenter, March 9, 2015 5:52 AM NST
I notice no Jellyneo staff member answered my other question. If Neopets is going to shutdown what would happened to Jellyneo? Neopets is the reason why jellyneo in the first place.
herdy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 6:22 AM NST
We haven't answered since that's ultimately up to Dave. However if Neopets did completely close the doors it's unlikely Jellyneo would stay up indefinitely since we'd largely be a pointless site.

Rest assured, if Jellyneo does close, we'd give you some warning
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 6:30 AM NST
Having all of the history up indefinitely would be great, but I can see where it wouldn't make much sense to keep paying to host and maintain a Neopets help/spoiler site with no Neopets.
flairina, March 9, 2015 6:30 AM NST
I... really don't know what to say about this. This was an "experiment" for Jumpstart? One that they're now ditching because it's too much work. Feels like such a waste... and like a horribly poor decision on their part, given that it was because of THEM that we had/have the lag to begin with.
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 6:45 AM NST
If the lag had not had happened or been fixed completely, I imagine we'd be looking toward the next site event just as normal, and TNT would still be there for us. It's really horrible how 6 months of technical issues might end 15 years of work, and its especially bad if they were on JS' end.
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 6:49 AM NST
It makes me sad now every time I get a Random Event because that was a great revamp done right by TNT, and sadly it's possible we won't see them around for much longer.
jankiapatel95, March 9, 2015 6:53 AM NST
It would not be good on Jumpstart's part if they don't address this in today's news. I'm sure by this point they're aware of the chaos. To not address it will only fuel the flames.
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 6:54 AM NST
I don't think the servers provided by JS were of a very good quality which is why the lag simply could not be fixed. What a terrible way for the site to go. I feel like a piece of me died with those staff layoffs.
kic24, March 9, 2015 7:13 AM NST
I think that if they want to blow new life into the website itself, then they have to completely redo it from scratch. It is obvious that the basics of neopets is still built on top of the code from the early days of neopets. You don't have to do much to break it then, and repositioning the servers was probably enough to cause lags and many glitches.

However, I do not expect them to rebuild the site. I think their approach is more likely to focus on the mobile applications, and use the site as some sort of platform to check how much neopoints you earned with their mobile games. It is not a bad thing, it is just different then we are used to. Laying off some staff is not neccessarily the end, it probably just means a new direction for neopets
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 7:17 AM NST
I have so much work to do in my RL but all I can think is Neo right now.
I am so NOT interested into neopets arts WITHOUT the main site.
I agree, they are pretty, but have no meaning without neopets.com

Also I decide to boycot all JS games, products, etc. and I think that ALL Neo community should write mails and letters to the owners to make them understand that they are doing a big mistake!

But an idea crossed my mind...the former TNT staff should/could rise a new pet site with similar or totally new pets. Like this they would have new jobs and I am sure a lot of us would follow them there. I vote for Kougra similars!
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:17 AM NST
Today's news will be the ultimate test of whether or not JS is worth supporting.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:18 AM NST
I've been playing this game since I've been 5, and I can't even tell you how sad I am. This is just so awful. What about my awesome Neofriends?!?!???!??! I love them as much as my real friends and this is just not fair. How will I contact them???
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:19 AM NST
-crosses fingers- Whether JS is forthright or turns a blind eye, everyone will still be upset.

Though if the latter occurs, I think I'd be afraid to visit the Neoboards...
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 7:21 AM NST
But an idea crossed my mind...the former TNT staff should/could rise a new pet site with similar or totally new pets.
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Unfortunately startups (and in the LA-area) are expensive. They would first need to find computer hardware, a warehouse/garage/basement and people who can code - for maybe no pay. I don't blame them for taking any job that offers job security. Costs of living are high, after all. But it is sad if their talents aren't being utilized.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:21 AM NST
As much as I loved Snarkie, she was wise in quitting before getting into this mess. Ever since Neopets was bought by Jumpstart we were promised great things but every one of them turned out badly or didn't turn out at all. -~- Where will all of my brilliant OCs go??? All of their art and coding and writing and daydreaming took HOURS and I don't want it to be deleted!! I love my OCs. What shall I do??
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 7:22 AM NST
I'm more interested to see those who've grown up with Neo start building their own virtual pet sites to fill the void. Perhaps one will catch on.
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:23 AM NST
@lovely_anais

If someone would pay them for it, I think they totally would. They're still in contact with each other and seeking work.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:24 AM NST
Of course I also loved the other TNT members as well! They made this site the awesome, funny and weird place it was. Now it is something different. Is it just me or have the editorials and news (that we've had) been more serious and less humourous?
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:25 AM NST
@ummy - A lot of pet sites currently out there were created by former Neo users, out of frustration with Neo's lack of communication and censorship.

I'd say everyone still on Neo should at least consider supporting those sites now, since they're most likely going to stick around for years to come.
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 7:26 AM NST
Unfortunately startups (and in the LA-area) are expensive. They would first need to find computer hardware, a warehouse/garage/basement and people who can code - for maybe no pay.
^
I am sure the community would be glad to help with donations. Same as is happening with JN basically.
Of course at the beggining would be hard, but wasn't Neo on the same path 15 years ago?
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:27 AM NST
@ummy & kouza: I love that idea! I would be willing to donate a pretty large sum for them, but the "Neopets" wouldn't be the same and neither would the worlds. All those plots would have never happened. They would have to create its history. It would be awesome if Adam and Donna came back, though!
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:28 AM NST
@fenix

If we get today's news. It's gonna be real interesting to see what they say. If they use words like "we" or "our" or "us", I wonder if people will react. "Who is this 'we' you're talking about? Our TNT got laid off! Who are YOU guys???"

Not to mention this was the week we were supposed to start getting original Caption Contest images again. Will we still? Apparently someone read on Jumpstar's Glassdoor that JS does a lot of outsourcing. So maybe that's a loophole? They're downsizing TNT not because they don't plan on having artists or writers, but because they outsource/freelance their art and writing?
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 7:29 AM NST
Our TNT got laid off! Who are YOU guys???"
^
Well said!
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:30 AM NST
@lovely - but inflation was vastly different in 1999 than it is now. Donating and fundraising to get something started is one thing, but actually being able to maintain the site as well make money to meet overhead is far more important.

The fundraiser would have to make enough money to not only start a site but also take care of overhead costs in the first year alone. And that's quite a sum.
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:31 AM NST
@treasure

Adam and Donna have been doing the game dev thing ever since they lost Neopets. However, it hasn't been very successful goings for them.

Oh, how I remember Twin Skies, and how those of us who hated Neocash were all gonna go play Twin Skies and leave Neopets behind, and we were on the boards and we were watching our new seedling MMO grow, watching characters develop, remember the Fishomancer? Oh, that irreverence.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:31 AM NST
I don't know why I'm even bothering with my dailies. :/
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:33 AM NST
Yes, IF JS does announce anything, the phrasing and verbage will have an impact on how users will react. It has been proven in many research studies, the effects of how a question or statement is worded. "How fast was the red car going when it hit the other car?" vs. "How fast was the red car going when it smashed into the other car?"
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:33 AM NST
Then Twin Skies died because, well, staff costs money. And those with money didn't wanna fund Twin Skies. So Adam and Donna decided to do the Facebook game thing. And that squeaked along for a while. But then that went the way of Treasure Keepers. And Meteor Games itself went bankrupt.

Then Adam and Donna decided to start from square one again with a game called Moglings. And Adam was posting some games for it, but then Adam and Donna had to slow down/stop because they're now new parents and their kids are too much of a handful for them to also run a new games site.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:34 AM NST
To be honest, I was actually one of the people who was thrilled with Neocash so I never played those games. I loved the thought of dressing my pets up in sparkly, animated items.
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 7:35 AM NST
Neopets is basically looking like Meteor Games last few months: massive layoffs, lack of communication, then game closure
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:37 AM NST
Since JS owns the license, they can literally do whatever they want with the site's characters, pets, everything. They can dissolve the main site and just use the Neopets as creatures for their educational games.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:37 AM NST
I suppose they would be too busy with kids and all. They're a lot of work and much more important than any game, so naturally their kids should be the highlight of their lives instead of a silly website.
morganjoisle, March 9, 2015 7:38 AM NST
@ummy: Meteor Games went the way of Petpet Park, then. *pets my real life Kassegat*
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:39 AM NST
They can dissolve the main site and just use the Neopets as creatures for their educational games.

^o.o o.O O.o O.O 0.0 X.X
wut js plz no
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:40 AM NST
Oh, and Olly has been standing by Adam and Donna like that faithful knight/third wheel sitcom punchline he emulates. He picks up a little scratch on the side making little game apps of his own creation.

So remember kids, in this day and age if you need some extra pocket lining, consider a little game development. In this day and age of online PC gaming venues like app stores and Steam, people will gladly throw you a little change to play your game if the price is low enough.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:43 AM NST
I think if/when this website shuts down I'll just stick with video games and... yeah. Or something. I don't know. :l
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 7:44 AM NST
I never knew about Twin Skies, Meteor Games and Moglings. I guess they should never let go Neo.

When I was CG-ed 7 years ago I went to another pet site. It was so dull that I quitted almost instantly and I never returned.

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but inflation was vastly different in 1999 than it is now.
^
I agrre, but out there some people are outragiously rich and I am sure they could see a good potential.

We need a hero now!
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:44 AM NST
Well the PC is just ignoring all of this. That's so them to keep doing their stuff even if it means the apocalypse. XD But you know what? Good for them! They are keeping their hopes up and that's a great thing.
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 7:49 AM NST
Most boards do appear to be keeping their hopes up because boards about this were deleted and people silenced. Typical.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:49 AM NST
Well. Most of the PC.

Anyways! What do you think you'll do in your spare time now? Find a new site like Neopets?
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:50 AM NST
@faithiefaith: Wow. Nice. -_- That is so dumb!!
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 7:54 AM NST
If the site really goes down I will paint a room as Neopia.
Then I will put myself into work.
I played FV, DoA and other games online, but regardless of the great graphics they all became borring after some time, so I guess I will not play games anymore. Neo is unique from that point of view.
kouza, March 9, 2015 7:54 AM NST
@treasure

There are no sites like Neopets. NO SITES LIKE NEOPETS. Not for what I seek.
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:57 AM NST
@kouza
What do you seek in a virtual pet site or game, then? I might be able to point you in the right direction.
fenix, March 9, 2015 7:57 AM NST
I will gladly suggest sites I know of to anyone who asks.
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 7:59 AM NST
I have no idea what I will do. This site was a massive part of my life for 15 years. I feel empty. I've had break ups in real life that didn't even pain me as much as this is now.
treasure, March 9, 2015 7:59 AM NST
@kouza: I know, that's the problem!! There aren't any where you can pour all of your OCs into while having them as a pet. D:
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:00 AM NST
Also, i want to know when this "silencing accounts" became a thing. Cause I never heard of such a punishment when I played in '05-'07.

And imho, silencing players is wrong. That, to me, infringes freedom of speech.
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:01 AM NST
OH NO!!!!!! WHENEVER I CLICK ANYONE'S USERLOOKUP INCLUDING MINE IT TAKES ME RIGHT TO THE NEOPETS MAIN PAGE!!! USERLOOKUPS DOWN! WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:04 AM NST
@Fenix, @Treasure

Yeah, that's one of the things I seek. Most of the pet sites there are treat the pets like quadrapedal animals/"critters". I want a world that is essentially Neopia as we see it in plots.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:04 AM NST
@treasure that glitch has been there all weekend. Hopefully it'll be fixed today. |D

And as for making OCs out of your pets, Subeta is honestly the best site for that. You can replace official pet art with your own custom art. And while official pet art does not have any clothing items, your custom art/overlay is perfectly allowed to wear clothes.
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:05 AM NST
@kouza: Same here!

@fenix: If you could let us know of any that would be awesome!
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 8:06 AM NST
Lookups have been down for a few days now. Silencing has been happening for years. Neopets definitely was never a site that allowed freedom of speech.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:06 AM NST
@kouza
Subeta's got pets, but they're not a 100% focus. There's a lot more to the site, actually. You can collect items, like beanbags, plushies and the like for achievements (like avatars, but you get forum titles and item rewards for it); you can train your pet's stats to currently 22k in total stats; you can strive to read as many books to your pet, or just restock and sell.
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:07 AM NST
@fenix: Seriously???? Major fail! :K Thanks for the suggestion! Is semi kid-friendly at all? My mom is /still/ pretty paranoid about that stuff even though I'm in my teens.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:08 AM NST
We're very much about customized individual play, the more I think about it. If you're an artist or interested, you can even make and submit your very own custom clothing for human avatars. Or just collect as much clothing as you want.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:10 AM NST
They don't wear clothes on Subeta.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:10 AM NST
Subeta does cater to an older audience, we're deemed officially as a PG-13 site. We're incredibly open to practically everything out there, especially LGBTQA-related things, as our owner is gay.
demi_, March 9, 2015 8:11 AM NST
What if the reason the Faeries are asking for quests again... is that they're preparing for a disaster like this?
sakura_kera, March 9, 2015 8:11 AM NST
TNT is gone!?! Why am I not surprised JS would pull something like that. Something or someone new comes along and closes they decide the best thing to do is get rid of all the "old" that everyone loved. This has happened too many time to sites I loved.

Neopets and TNT had a great run and I am very proud of them and what they were able to accomplish. However, I am extremely nervous of the future of Neopets.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:12 AM NST
@kouza
No, the official pet art does not. But you can still create, or commission custom pet art, and upload it to represent your pet's character.

Look up Elfric on there. You'll see he has a custom overlay.
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:12 AM NST
Great user look ups aren't working. They just take you to the welcome page.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:13 AM NST
Communication with staff has always been the best. They let us know when fixes have been made, they respond to reported glitches, and listen to recommendations and suggestions from their users.
blackforest_wolf, March 9, 2015 8:15 AM NST
I have faith in the site. Neo will get though this ;w;
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:15 AM NST
I'm not sure if my mom would allow me to play. :/ (No offense to anyone!) Do you know of any more sites in case she won't let me? ^^ Sorry if I'm bugging you!
recklesse, March 9, 2015 8:17 AM NST
Also, i want to know when this "silencing accounts" became a thing. Cause I never heard of such a punishment when I played in '05-'07.
And imho, silencing players is wrong. That, to me, infringes freedom of speech.
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http://www.neopets.com/nf.phtml?nf_date=2010-10-18 - 21st October 2010

It was actually introduced to reduce the number of freezings and suspensions for chat infractions, so people could still access most features of the site apart from the area they had misbehaved in.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:17 AM NST
PG-13? I need Neopia's content ceiling. PG-13 is a little too high.

I guess in time I'll have to find something though. But I don't think the site is going anywhere. Jumpstart advertises things like taking care of pets and visiting the whimsical world of Neopia. As long as they own Neopets, I think they have to represent that promise in some capacity.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:18 AM NST
so Subeta is geared more towards the individual player, allowing them to customize their way to play. Pets are there, but not the 100% focus. We have plots, canon and lore from over the past 10 years. We are a PG-13 site, and have items and pet art that may not be pleasant to some players. You can ad-block those images, but if you really are unsure, I recommend going to neocolours.me.uk to look through the various pets we have on Subeta.
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:19 AM NST
Subeta is not appropriate for anyone under 13 for sure. I have an account there and I am 45.
I actually played that penguin site for a while. Try that. You can furnish an igloo play games and dress your penguin.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:20 AM NST
Not to mention, Neopets kinda INVENTED the concept of plots. Does any site even have plots besides Neopets? What about Subeta? Do they have plots? What do they have in the way of lore? Any interesting recurrent characters? Any story potential? And dramatic potential? Any sides to anyone worth exploring?
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:20 AM NST
Aywas is definitely much more friendly in terms of art and content. At least, from what I can recall. I've never played there, so I don't have an accurate judgment of them, but you can customize your pets there, and create characters out of them.
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:22 AM NST
@kouza: Me too. My mom is very picky. I'm older than 14 and yet she is still quite worried. Which is a good thing in many ways. I respect her opinion of course, but sometimes I feel like she's a little too paranoid. Like she won't let me play Fire Emblem: Awakening.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:22 AM NST
@tomato99

Club Penguin? Shame me, I deserve it, but I actually played that for some time. It really made me appreciate the fact that I can go back and read plots that Neopia has had. I don't think Club Penguin has plots. I don't think Club Penguin has writers.
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:24 AM NST
They don't have plots per se.
They have special parties for the site and things to do during certain times of the year.
Subeta has plots though.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:24 AM NST
Not to mention, Club Penguin isn't really focused on player creativity. Nor does it even have a playerbase that wants to be creative, save for making poorly directed videos now and then that the site doesn't even host.

Other sites have good things here and there, but are still lacking. Neopets was the only site that had it all. Well, had the potential to have it all.
phoenixofthecrown, March 9, 2015 8:25 AM NST
I hope that Neo isn't shutting down, but at the moment it is not looking good. There are other pet sites out there, though not as polished as Neo. There is Subeta at www.Subeta. net. Marapets at www.Marapets.com and also Misticpets at http://www.misticpets.com/?r=50791. Just wanted to throw some options out there, hopefully we won't all have to go search for a new home though.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:25 AM NST
@kouza
Yes, we have a lot of NPCs that our HAs interact with quite often. Last spring, we had a plot involving a legendary beast; this past Halloween, we had a Ghostbusters-inspired spooky manor plot...which was left with a To Be Continued ending, so we'll get the 2nd part of that this upcoming October.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:25 AM NST
@tomato99

Subeta has plots? Do dish, I wanna know what these plots entail. Walk me through the steps as one would walk me through a Neopian plot. Is there a news page? How often is Subeta updated by the way?
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:26 AM NST
Can you go back and read Subeta plots?
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:27 AM NST
I didn't like marapets AT ALL.
I checked it out after the great transition at neo.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:27 AM NST
@treasure
No, I completely respect your mom's wishes! I'm glad to hear that there are parents out there who do legitimately care about what sites their child is visiting.

I'd recommend showing subeta to your mom first, and let her make the call. I personally think you'd be plenty fine with the content, but I had a different upbringing, and was older when i got into Subeta (I was about 15).
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:28 AM NST
O gosh I'm horrible with plots.
I always use the forums for the walk thru.
LOLOLOL
treasure, March 9, 2015 8:29 AM NST
Writing these down... thank you so much everyone!! I'll check all of these out later today, but for now I have to go. Thanks again! ^.^
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:30 AM NST
@kouza
It's on the to-do list; we've recently had our 'Pedia revamped, and things are slowly being added to it. But I will check around the forums and see if any user(s) have compiled information on the last several plots.

For now though, you can check out subeta.wikia.com/wiki/Events for summaries
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:33 AM NST
Ideally I'd like to be walked through a plot as though I were discovering it step by step in the news... like I would a Neopian plot...
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:33 AM NST
Users tend to take it upon themselves to create guides and the like because our staff is unfortunately limited. We have so much content, but not nearly enough programmers to make a lot of suggestions happen immediately.

I've taken up some responsibility in our battle community on there, providing guides and helpful information on the forum. In a way, it does encourage users to work together and combine talents to make things possible.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:35 AM NST
We have plot steps released one at a time. Right now, we're in a 'resting' period. We have our own holidays scheduled, and plots tend to occur during them. I can definitely confirm there will be a plot come Halloween-time. We also have an annual battling event scheduled for this summer.

But aside from our usual holiday programming, I have not heard of any other plans.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:36 AM NST
Plot steps are announced in the news, with enough time in between for users to complete. We as users provide guides and help each other during the steps.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:38 AM NST
See, this is how persnickety I am. I took one look at Subeta and saw human avatars. Now I can't even imagine ever playing Subeta.

Not to mention... whoever that registration clerk is... See that wasn't even PG-13 and I was already skeeved. I am entirely not ready for Subeta.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:42 AM NST
@kouza
Tis okay, i understand. We're quite...an interesting bunch, for lack of better words. It has always been geared towards the older audience, primarily adults.

I think you should consider checking out Leopets, especially at the beginning of each month.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:42 AM NST
Though your efforts are more than noble, Fenix. Good to see Neopians looking out for Neopians. But as I am weird and needy, it'll take me a while to fill this hole in me.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:43 AM NST
Leopets is essentially homage the old Neopets. They've been around for quite a few years now. You have to apply to get in, but applications are open at the beginning of each month. leopets.org

I've played there, but I preferred sticking to Subeta. I know where my home is at. xD
tomato99, March 9, 2015 8:44 AM NST
Yeah subeta is a site for mature players.
Lots of ..ahem.. cleavage in the art.
kouza, March 9, 2015 8:45 AM NST
Also, I saw Leopets. It doesn't look stable, they have server issues.

I do like that it's similar to Neopia, but that's also what I don't like about it. It's specifically a Neopets mock-up. And am I looking for a new site, or a Neopets mock-up? But if I'm looking for a new site, why am I so reluctant to try new things? Because I want it to be similar to Neopets, but also not be Neopets specifically.

Basically if Leopets was exactly like Neopets, but somehow didn't even know what Neopets was.
escrainus, March 9, 2015 8:45 AM NST
Has JS gave any word?

I want stealthy gelert, I want to crosspaint mine

Are fansites still downloading everything they can?
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:45 AM NST
@kouza
Back in 2007, I had officially quit Neo and was looking for a new home. I think I went through at least a dozen pet sites, before my friend showed me some subeta pets. I was sold right then and there, signed up and have been on Subeta for nearly 8 years.

I recommend utilizing virtualpetlist.com to try and locate other pet sites I may not have mentioned. There are literally over a hundred of sites out there.

You will find your new home, don't worry. It just takes time to figure out what you're ultimately interested in.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:49 AM NST
@tomato
Yup, and heavily supportive of LGBTQA rights. You name it, we probably have it somewhere mentioned on the site. xD

Stable servers is something you may have to consider sacrificing. Though I suppose Neo's latest lag is preparing everyone for that reality. I did not know Leo's servers were having problems lately. Subeta's gotten more stable over the years, but we do have our problems. I can't speak for other sites though.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:52 AM NST
I'd say just sign up on each possible site you find, play each for a day or two, and see if it clicks or stays in your memory.

You'll know what works and what doesn't.
june_scarlet, March 9, 2015 8:53 AM NST
Well, as long as people are talking alternatives, riddle me this, is there *anything* out there like the Neopian Times. A weekly online newpaper to submit comics and short stories. Doesn't even have to be centered around a pet site, most likely, though it does have to Neo-appropriate, as in, PG stuff.
fenix, March 9, 2015 8:55 AM NST
@june
From what I know that's out there, no. Unfortunately too, cause the NT has always been my favorite thing about Neo.
sandlass, March 9, 2015 9:00 AM NST
While it's the topic of conversation i just wanted to say i just started playing subeta yesterday and I love it so much already. it's like someone took all my complaints and suggestions for neo and used them to make a beautiful, beautiful website. goodness. i wish i'd been motivated to join ages ago.
phoenixofthecrown, March 9, 2015 9:02 AM NST
I think we all should boycott Jumpstart and all of their applications and products. WE THE PEOPLE OF NEOPETS!
tomato99, March 9, 2015 9:03 AM NST
Instead of doing something negative like boycotting why doesn't someone petition for the originators to take it back over?
sandlass, March 9, 2015 9:04 AM NST
they can't just take it back, they'd have to buy it back. and considering the fact that they sold it in the first place - they don't want it lol.
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 9:06 AM NST
You can't just petition for other people to step in and take over. JS acquired this company and its theirs to run into the ground as they see fit.
cat, March 9, 2015 9:12 AM NST
I wonder if this means the MiniMMEs won't morph today. They were suppose to, but usually the staff handles that.

I'm not sure if I'll join another virtual pet site after this. I've always liked the artwork of Subeta, so I may go there if Neopets closes.
adonis808, March 9, 2015 9:16 AM NST
I just want my stealthy gelert
pancaketime, March 9, 2015 9:21 AM NST
Anyone know if the battle system on Subeta is fun? That's one of my main interests on Neopets, and I'm feeling pretty certain that the BD is over no matter what happens. (I guess it sort has been for years now, but...) It looks interesting. Is there a decent guide anywhere?
phoenixofthecrown, March 9, 2015 9:32 AM NST
They had better not shut down, despite all of the signs pointing towards a less than desirable conclusion. I would hate to think that the hundreds I have spent on the game would just go *poof*. I know it is always a risk one must take when playing in the world of virtual goods and such, but I honestly never thought that the day when such a horrible rumor would take place.
neoixan, March 9, 2015 9:38 AM NST
Like, no one does plots like neopets has :c
px, March 9, 2015 9:40 AM NST
@fenix - oops, you got me hooked on this subeta game now
hbarnstein, March 9, 2015 9:45 AM NST
I like subeta and have played it for quite a few years now, although obviously not nearly as long as neopets. It's different - for customization you dress your avatar and not your pets, which I actually, really really like. The content is much more mature and not nearly as restricted as neopets. It's a much smaller community and the economy is a lot more...umm...flexible? Where items inflate and deflate quite a lot, not as stable because it's a smaller community. It's fun though and you get to get really into the characters you create. It also doesn't pretend that money shouldn't impact the rest of the game - you can buy currency with money or with ingame currency, so no one is locked out. It is nice.


But dang, I really sincerely hope this is a bump for neopets..although...without our current staff, it feels a little heartless :/
hatakesage, March 9, 2015 9:58 AM NST
Does this mean no more KQ or anything? They've been uploading stupid items and news for ages, (useless items you cant even use? ahhh) but not fixing the lag or anything in months. My only hope is anyone left on the time can fix these things, but this is just depressing at any rate
khaytra, March 9, 2015 10:02 AM NST
@hatakesage There are some programmers left, so in theory KQ is still possible because the programmers just need to rewrite the game coding that went missing / broke in the transition. But it obviously depends on what JS intends to do with the site and whether or not they let them do it.
reconnection, March 9, 2015 10:09 AM NST
FTS man I've moved over to Subeta and already love it. Still figuring out a few things and I will seriously miss my pets here on Neo... but I don't see things getting better so I'm trying to focus more on my rebuilt pets over on Subeta.
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:11 AM NST
I see an addendum was added to the news post.

I thought this was a downsizing? As in, there are no new employees? No new TNT? A downsizing would at least mean a change in battle plan was in place. Outsourcing and the like. And you can't outsource what Neopets once was. You would have to have different features entirely.
sab1028, March 9, 2015 10:14 AM NST
I am a premium user and I have 4 $25 unused gift cards at least for now I feel the best thing I can do is play and continue supporting what is on the site in case there is any way to keep Neopets and Jellyno. I stuck with Petpet Park until the end. If anyone comes up with some ideas about petitioning or contacting entities please post. This is the only gaming on-line I do, so this is hard to accept. I was afraid when there was no news on Friday it was a bad sign. I wish all the people who lost their jobs hopefully they get good jobs quickly. Best Wishes
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:16 AM NST
On top of that, outsourcing? We're literally getting a new TNT each time who has no familiarity or even memory of what's happened. For instance, let's say they tried to outsource the job of NT Editor. And every issue we had a different editor. Chaos! Maybe one editor says "This guy has 20 comics? That's too many, I think I'm supposed to let the ones with less have priority." Maybe another editor says "This guy has 20 comics? That's a lot, I think I'm supposed to let the ones with a good track record have priority." Jobs like NT Editor are a job of judgement calls, and you can't have different judges of different standards each time.
spabl, March 9, 2015 10:17 AM NST
Mmm... I posted something on the JS FB page and now the message is gone, along with the messages of other users? It wasn''t rude or anything.
tntxhatesme, March 9, 2015 10:19 AM NST
So they kept everyone until the launch of the app and then fired them..... wow

I'm worried that I have 4k NC on my account to spend right now... and also prepaid for my premium.... I'm not going to cancel yet or anything but I feel an immense sense of unease about this
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:22 AM NST
And don't get me started on keeping up with the lore IF they ever try anything like a plot. TNT had familiarity with it, love for it, and allegedly a canon bible. And they couldn't even do it half the time. How do you think an outsourced team who neither knows nor cares what Neopia is, and also doesn't have a big book of canon?
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:25 AM NST
...is going to do?
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 10:32 AM NST
Yup they seemed to have wiped all of the many, many dozens of Neopets-related messages on their FB
fenix, March 9, 2015 10:33 AM NST
@pancaketime if you're still here, I am battler on Subeta. I can link you to both a beginner and in-depth guide I co-wrote with another battler and an admin: http://subeta.net/games/battle/newbies.php

(indepth one): http://subeta.net/games/battle/battleguide.php
fenix, March 9, 2015 10:35 AM NST
Subeta's battle system follows a tier system. All newly-created pets are born as T1, with 10 points in each of the main 4 stats counted towards tier (Strength, Defense, Health and Speed). To reach a new tier, you must raise your pets stats at the training center.

higher tiers means you're pet will be able to use better weapons. A T1 cannot use a T3 weapon, but a T3 pet can use any weapons in that T1-T3 range.
fenix, March 9, 2015 10:37 AM NST
When you hover over items, if you see a Tier: 2 in the hover text, then that is a weapon.

That's just a basic background info on the system itself. The battling aspect is simple; first one to 0 Hit Points/Health Points loses.
fenix, March 9, 2015 10:40 AM NST
Also, if anyone goes to sign up for Subeta, you'll see a "Were you referred here by another user?" question; fill it in with METROID. That's my Subeta username.

It's like Neopets' referral system, it rewards players who successfully refer new players. ^^
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:41 AM NST
Did the lag pick up suddenly or what?

...As if anyone cared about that at this point.
cat, March 9, 2015 10:44 AM NST
I thought this was a downsizing? As in, there are no new employees? No new TNT? A downsizing would at least mean a change in battle plan was in place.
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It might be that the old TNT's particular brand of insanity wasn't working and playing well with JumpStart's way of doing things. That would also explain the staff post about working for JumpStart being like slowly dying. I know a worker for Rare said something like that happened there after they were acquired by Microsoft, with the workplace culture that Rare had developed working as an independent developer being incompatible with the workplace culture Microsoft expected them to have. That ended up causing problems for both parties, and in the case of Rare the employees eventually left on their own, whereas with Neopets it seems like JumpStart got fed up and fired them.
onewinginthefire, March 9, 2015 10:45 AM NST
@fenix i think you have reached the point where you went from suggesting alternatives to neopets to shamelessly promoting the site for your own personal gain on it.
tyuio_k50, March 9, 2015 10:48 AM NST
...and in the case of Rare the employees eventually left on their own...

---

...And each and every one of them went off to find something better, r become a part of something better. Banjo-Kazooie died, but now we have Playtonic Games, an array of other studios creating great games, spiritual successors, and the crown jewel of them all: A Hat in Time.

Maybe something better will come from this? It seems do always happen for a reason.
tyuio_k50, March 9, 2015 10:49 AM NST
*or become a part of something better
*It seems things do
kehny, March 9, 2015 10:50 AM NST
I guess we will have Gelert Day today...well.. i hope so..
hisprincess, March 9, 2015 10:50 AM NST
My alternative to Neopets is playing The Sims 4. I tried out Subeta a while back, but I didn't have any particular ties to nostalgia there, so I didn't last long. If Neopets as we know it is really over, maybe I will give it a try. It's just hard starting over at something brand new.
kouza, March 9, 2015 10:54 AM NST
@cat

By "change in battle plan" I mean "Change what kind of website Neopets.com is." In order to run a Neopets.com, a PHP based virtual pet website, you need a TNT. No TNT, you have to do something else. Something that a skeleton crew/outsourced workers can do.
recklesse, March 9, 2015 11:35 AM NST
I had a thought. (maybe rather silly).
Do we know if other parts of JumpStart are being downsized as well? I've looked at their fb page and seen complaints of massive lag and other problems there too. Also on their School of Dragons forums.
archaeopteryx, March 9, 2015 11:38 AM NST
I just want to say that Subeta is pretty awesome-I'm pretty new there but it's pretty easy to figure out. If you were good at Neopets, then a lot of things in Subeta work on a similar idea (i.e. it's not really that hard to transition over).

Also, I know this is in response to an old comment now, but if people really wanted to fundraise for someone to create a new Neopets-like pet site, they could always try a kickstarter thing.
kouza, March 9, 2015 11:45 AM NST
@recklesse

I wouldn't know. But complaints aren't much to cite, lots of websites have complaining people.
sosoeuso, March 9, 2015 12:10 PM NST
Okay, imma let you guys know, buy I ain't going to no Subeta or anything like that, nuh-huh. I want my Neo, and there ain't nothing that will stop me from keeping my candle lit for Neo, even if it ain't the same.
dalice, March 9, 2015 12:22 PM NST
Idk what to think, but considering how the site has been since what, Sept? I can't say it's surprising. ;(
I saw someone mention Subeta - I don't know if you can see a lot from the outside (I've been on it for almost 8 years and only log in when I clear cache or smth) but I can print screen whatever you might want to see and show/explain parts (JN username is mine there & dianalovee on neo)~!
One aspect a ton of people might love is the use of custom overlays for pet images (recoloring official art or redrawing or commissioning art on or off site and using that) whether it's coded into the pet profile or purchased so that you see it all over the site. One thing people should know is that you can only have one account (many ways to get more than the default 5 pets though). Just a thought!
kouza, March 9, 2015 12:23 PM NST
If you can do overlays, what's the point in painting... whatever pets are on Subeta?
thaliel, March 9, 2015 12:27 PM NST
Subeta is ok I guess, but I find myself enjoying Aywas much more

NEways, let us see where Neopets itself is going first, if it is goind anywhere, that is
yekith, March 9, 2015 12:29 PM NST
Hello again everybody! I was reading your last posts about other sites and I have to say I haven't found any site I like either. I've realized that although Neopets didn't have that when I started playing, nowadays only a site that also lets you customize pets would keep my interest (not that alone, of course). I've found some where you can customize people-like things, but not the pets. Not interested in that. I also have no artistic talent so sites that let you create your own art for the pets and overlay, etc are useless to me. *siiigh*
duhimalyse, March 9, 2015 12:45 PM NST
any pet sites out there with adorable art, good community, and a food club? LOL I really will miss the food club.
kakorie - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 12:49 PM NST
Finally we have answers! Neopets lives!!!!
pikachu315111, March 9, 2015 12:50 PM NST
NEOPETS FACEBOOK UPDATES!

https://www.facebook.com/Neopets

What it says is rather odd, they say they still plan on releasing new content (without a content team?) and providing resources to keep improve the site (with only a handful of programmers?). Though at least they say they're not closing Neopets, using Ghoul Catchers as proof they're dedication. It's also from the CEO of JumpStart.

Anyone know what to make of it?
yekith, March 9, 2015 12:50 PM NST
I didn't know Food Club was still not working! I've never tried it cause bets are not my thing. It also sounds too complicated even reading guides people recommend, lol.
tntxhatesme, March 9, 2015 12:50 PM NST
dont give up on neo yet guys!! no other site compares
kakorie - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 12:50 PM NST
They have plenty of items in the item database that are made but never released, they could just be releasing all of that.
duck84, March 9, 2015 12:52 PM NST
So why did Neopets switch over to Jumpstart again?
mistyraider, March 9, 2015 12:54 PM NST
Am I being too sensitive or did that statement sound like a "tsk, tsk, tsk you're sending complaints somewhere the children will see?"

And I am glad they have stated neopets will not end. I wonder who they will get to do content?
inkpot, March 9, 2015 12:55 PM NST
I don't really care for any other petsite out there, I've tried a bunch (including Subeta).. I grew up with Lupes, Aishas and Schorchio's, I don't particularly find any other species on other sites as lovable as these and I don't really care for petsites in general... aside from Neo...
yekith, March 9, 2015 12:58 PM NST
Well, it's good that they were very clear that the site is not closing (although I don't care about phone apps and they're not proof of their commitment to the SITE). I also wonder who will do all they're saying. maybe it's like some people said and they also downsized or even closed other stuff and are moving employees?
mryac, March 9, 2015 12:58 PM NST
while i am glad the CEO made a statement it's a fairly hollow one. that is pretty much exactly what every new company says when they absorb and eventually close the smaller entity they have acquired. i hope i am wrong and would LOVE to see the site get the much needed overhaul it's needed for a long time now, but i am not optimistic.
inkpot, March 9, 2015 12:59 PM NST
I see my post is as late as ever... as always...

I am happy to hear JS is not giving up... yet. Though I am still worried about what is to come what with the lack of staff???
idriya, March 9, 2015 1:00 PM NST
That bit about the brand page being designed for children 3-10 years old worries me somewhat. :/
kouza, March 9, 2015 1:01 PM NST
@Mistyraider

That's what it sounded like to me. I never said Neopets was closing. I was saying "What is Jumpstart's angle getting rid of TNT itself? How can you possibly run the site as it was?"

Mr. Lord's response is "Yes, people are laid off. No, the site isn't going anywhere. But you really shouldn't post this here, you should send us e-mails instead."
nick - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 1:01 PM NST
They hope we're as excited as they are, but they never even give us any teasers... What kind of statement is that?

YES I'M SO EXCITED FOR SOMETHING I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHATSOEVER!
nick - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 1:02 PM NST
You can't expect someone to be excited about something if you don't even tell them anything at all.
kouza, March 9, 2015 1:03 PM NST
This is a good sign. I was angry with Viacom when they took over and in the Viacom era we got a couple of good things. Therefore, this should pan out to me receiving a couple of good things.
inkpot, March 9, 2015 1:04 PM NST
also what is with all the comments about adam and donna on their fb page... like "bring back adam and donna!1111one!!" like... are you serious? idek how those comments get so many likes?? are they just being obnoxious on purpose or are they serious. i really can't tell.
illusionshadow_s, March 9, 2015 1:06 PM NST
though i'm glad for once they're communicating with us, empty promises don't exactly make me hopeful..
tyuio_k50, March 9, 2015 1:08 PM NST
I'm still not happy that they let the people go. They could have tried to find a place for the veterans.
yekith, March 9, 2015 1:08 PM NST
Is there someone from TNT left that would know enough about content (and which stuff is supposed to be released in the very nearly future), at least? I'm so confused about how things are going to work...
idriya, March 9, 2015 1:08 PM NST
@inkpot: Because the site was at its best under Adam and Donna, and people think it would be better off if Adam and Donna somehow got it back. People love putting them on a pedestal. :/

If they never sold the site to Viacom, there wouldn't be a Neopets imo. They've proven time and time again that they have no idea how to run a business.
mistyraider, March 9, 2015 1:09 PM NST
I am just going to see the best in this. The notice on FB is hopeful about the future, & respectful of TNT (even if they did lay them off). Their (JS) view of a good site may not be mine and neopets may change to something I don't want to visit, but until that time I am gonna enjoy it.

And thanks to everyone here. Last night I was feeling quite low and worried, despair wanted to creep in! But you all made me feel just a little less alone and lonely about the future of Neo or the awful possibility it might be closing.
cloonshannagh, March 9, 2015 1:10 PM NST
*while cuddling scared little Neobabies* Thank you, Dave! *teary smile* I would hate to lose my kiddies and friends. I know it is "just" a game, but it IS precious and would be sorely missed. As would JN, the best source for information, encouragement and support. Caring people make a site great, and JN has them. (As well as being rational, calming, and dedicated) Slainte'
escrainus, March 9, 2015 1:10 PM NST
@inkpot: Well to be honest there are too many brainless followers in FB that hits "like" to whatever its posted - some even "like" insults directed to them :/
idriya, March 9, 2015 1:13 PM NST
FB comments are always a cesspool of anger anyway and should probably never be taken seriously.
lovely_anais, March 9, 2015 1:16 PM NST
Ok, that's some good news.
Let's hope they will stick with that sentence.
waning, March 9, 2015 1:16 PM NST
So much relief.
yekith, March 9, 2015 1:16 PM NST
From, now on, if downtimes are announced to fix stuff, I'm always going to fear the site not coming back. more than before. O_O
yekith, March 9, 2015 1:17 PM NST
I mean, I can't help it. After the last news, my trust in JS will stay very low until they do something very concrete to change my mind.
inkpot, March 9, 2015 1:18 PM NST
no i mean, have adam and donna ever expressed wanting to work on neopets again?

when people say "bring adam and donna back" it gives me the impression that they were let off/fired (even though i know that's not the case)...

i just thought we were over the whole adam and donna worshiping thing but apparently i've been very wrong.
suzuka - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 1:19 PM NST
I personally am rather confused at how they plan to move forward with the site itself and new content after firing their entire creative team in one day... Ghoul Catchers is a separate entity, and keeping the 'brand' alive isn't the same as the site. Unless something major happens, I'll be surprised if we see much progress going on with the actual site that we all fell in love with.
drzoidberg, March 9, 2015 1:27 PM NST
FYI - also posted on the teamneopia official tumblr
nick - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 1:27 PM NST
They likely have content that the old TNT already made for the coming month or two, which they can take bits and pieces of that are finished and try to make something out of it...

That's how I see them making "new content". Though all the credit for that would belong to the former staff.
kouza, March 9, 2015 1:29 PM NST
So are they gonna post a video to the TeamNeopets channel?

And when Lord says "content" he compares it to Ghoul Catchers. New content might just be more mobile game tie-ins/shtuff/etc.
marymouse, March 9, 2015 1:31 PM NST
Corporate babble. The statement makes things seem even more bleak. I expect that Neopets will live on in brand name only. I have no faith in JS.
cal_chetty, March 9, 2015 1:33 PM NST
A little glimmer of hope! Secretly hoping that Jumpstart had some neopets players and Hanso fangirls in their staff pre-takeover
riddled_stars, March 9, 2015 1:35 PM NST
That message doesn't say anything. Just confirms the firings and then a lot of empty words.

I agree with Nick, they'll probably trickle out old stuff as long as they can.
They've cut down on neopoint content this whole time. Low quality wearables and items that looked like they were simply never released years ago.
acexcat13, March 9, 2015 1:41 PM NST
Yay for at least SOME official response... even if it was all couched in corporate-ese placative and totally non-committal language.

What made Neopets great was the direct community involvement.

John detailed yesterday was was more or less the first few slippery steps into mediocrity, and when TNT stopped COMMUNICATING and got to be insular and NC-intensive, that's when the rest of the site seemed to get generally neglected.

I'm -HOPING- this is the signal of good things to come and not a harbinger of even more stagnation and neglect.
onerainywish, March 9, 2015 1:42 PM NST
while i am glad the CEO made a statement it's a fairly hollow one. that is pretty much exactly what every new company says when they absorb and eventually close the smaller entity they have acquired. i hope i am wrong and would LOVE to see the site get the much needed overhaul it's needed for a long time now, but i am not optimistic.
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Sadly, I agree with this. Until some actions are taken to show that the site is actually going to be improved upon, I still believe the future of the site as we've come to know it is pretty shaky. This is all corporate speak at its finest.
inkpot, March 9, 2015 2:16 PM NST
these past 24hours has been such an emotional roller-coaster for me, lol.

the levels of optimism and pessimism being thrown around are easily influential on me, my face goes from a scowl to a look of content with almost every new opinion being made. it may be best if i just avoid these conversations in whole but it's kinda addicting reading everyones thoughts...
heaveaway05, March 9, 2015 2:18 PM NST
Maybe neopets would somewhat recover if they sponsored Jellyneo Negg Hunts
mistyraider, March 9, 2015 2:21 PM NST
@inkpot, I feel the same way. Sorta like watching a train wreck. You know you should look away, but . . .
mollyscribbles, March 9, 2015 2:35 PM NST
I . . . I'm trying not to be too paranoid, but things like apps aren't really what keeps people on Neopets. People stay on Neopets because they've had goals that take years to attain -- a perfect gallery, a full page in their stamp album, a well-trained battle pet. App games are aimed at people who need to kill 15 minutes on the subway.

. . . so, um, where's the new content coming from when they don't have TNT left to create it?
cat, March 9, 2015 2:36 PM NST
They may be planning to hire new creative people, or promote people who were doing well in another of their games to key positions in Neopets. For other personnel they could hire new workers.

Of course, that doesn't mean things will be OK, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Still, looks like we might not be getting new site updates for a while.
suzuka - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 2:44 PM NST
"They may be planning to hire new creative people, or promote people who were doing well in another of their games to key positions in Neopets. For other personnel they could hire new workers. "

They could, it would just be a question of 'if they do, why did they fire everyone who knows the site and its world?
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 2:54 PM NST
Who is going to train these new people they would be hiring? They will know nothing of the daily working and lore of the site. The people who would have trained them are now fired.
ummy - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 2:57 PM NST
I still think something shady is happening. You don't fire ALL of the content staff and say you will still produce content. Just how will that work? How will you capture the whimsical quality of TNT's creativity and everything that makes the site Neopets when you got rid of all of the experts?
ian - JN Staff, March 9, 2015 2:57 PM NST
They can hire Herdy as a lore consultant.
bananapower, March 9, 2015 3:00 PM NST
You don't fire ALL of the content staff and say you will still produce content. Just how will that work? How will you capture the whimsical quality of TNT's creativity and everything that makes the site Neopets when you got rid of all of the experts?
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ugghhhh
EXACTLY.
*shakes head*
cat, March 9, 2015 3:01 PM NST
It could be there was friction between TNT and the JumpStart staff. For example maybe JumpStart wanted TNT to do something with the site they didn't want to do, like add the sort of pay to win features Neopets has been avoiding so far. It's possible JumpStart didn't feel TNT was being effective enough because of the lag/glitch situation on Neopets taking so long to be resolved and the userbase getting annoyed. Or it's possible they thought they had what Plushie Tycoons calls "too many chiefs, not enough indians" - that is too many people whose job it is to give directions given the number of people available to carry them out. Or it could be a money thing where they figure they can pay newly hired employees less than they would have to pay employees who've been working the same job for years.
bananapower, March 9, 2015 3:02 PM NST
also, I'm confused. What happened to today's news?

I mean, I get yesterday, but why haven't they updated today? Are they teaching the writers to sound like Comastar or something? -.-
faithiefaith, March 9, 2015 3:04 PM NST
There's no one to write today's news so I'm thinking that's just not happening.
cat, March 9, 2015 3:05 PM NST
I agree though that I don't see how they'll do anything without any creative staff.

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