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Herdy
Unconverted Pet Exploit
  • Posted by Herdy
  • Posted on March 13, 2021, 4:50 am NST

Earlier today, a user let the cat out of the bag on an exploit cheaters have been using to generate, among other things, new Unconverted Pets. TNT are now actively investigating the issue and deleting/converting pets that have been found to have been created using the exploit. They have posted on the Official Neoboard about the issue.

Hey Neopians!

As we're sure some of you are aware, a site issue has surfaced involving unconverted pets. Our team is aware of the situation and actively finding solutions for it.

As a reminder, there are no official channels for the creation of new unconverted pets. Any pets directly tied to this recent issue that have been illegally unconverted will be returned to their original states once the issue is resolved. Additionally, any user found to be tampering with pet conversion in their own or other users' accounts will be banned and frozen.

We've implemented a fix for the issue, and we'll be continuing to patch and monitor the situation over the next few days. We appreciate your patience as we get everything sorted out!

(We're also aware of the high demand for unconverted pets, and have been looking into solutions to properly implementing them back into the game while keeping things fair for the existing community. We'll circle back with more news later this year!)

-TNT

This is a marked departure from previous statements, which have always maintained UC pets would be too difficult to bring back in any form (though today’s exploit seems to illustrate that it perhaps wasn’t as complex after all). We’ll keep you informed of any updates.

TNT Staff member Gutterfoot also briefly appeared on the r/neopets Discord to add a few things:

we're so tired... but it really is happening, we've been talking about bringing back UCs for a while

In relation to giving 'old' UCs some form of identification:

we did talk about doing something similar to what league does with their skins, so it's not out of the realm of possibility!

(This quote likely refers to League of Legends and the Chroma system it uses for palette swapped character skins, similar to how Dyeworks operates on Neopets. It is unclear just how this would relate to UCs at this stage)
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There are 73 comments below. Add yours!


masterdeals, March 13, 2021 5:19 AM NST
Oh geeze.. What a ruckus.
Again, he never stated about UC since the HTML5 builds started this year and now they just spilled the beans on a UC plan?
Makes me wonder if they are actually planning to use UC for NC here.
lava, March 13, 2021 5:34 AM NST
this is entire message is just so funny like "cat out of the bag", the fact that it was possible afterall, how people cannot grow up and let things go ajdahbfbs this entire situation is SO funny
premium17, March 13, 2021 5:35 AM NST
Why not ? Tnt needs more revenue to hire more workers.
octobermoth, March 13, 2021 5:39 AM NST
I don't think it's ever been technically difficult to create UCs as Support can revert pets back to UCs if they are converted by mistake - a friend's was reverted after her kid converted it without realising what that meant, while another was reverted after someone broke into her account and converted the pets (similar to what people used to do with expensive pets and Green Uni Potions). I think it's more about "how do you let people create UCs without really annoying the people who've spent all their time trading upwards for one?", whom I think are often NC Mall whales so TNT are keen not to lose them.
etherealpath, March 13, 2021 6:17 AM NST
i don't know why everything is always such a fuzz for the NT. it could be solved with the click of a button in customization. who cares if it'll annoy people who have been trading high for them or keeping old pets all this time? it's about demand. that's why they suck at keeping this site going.
supertualet, March 13, 2021 7:09 AM NST
A lot of people have know for a while that TNT can make UCs with no problem, I mean, there was even a staffer that had an UC dari bruce that was born waay after the conversion happened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you're curious, I'm talking about binary_supagoo's pet, Jungle_Boo. I checked the pet just now and it's seems that they converted it tho (and somehow the pet is -147,733 hours old now, what). Did a quick google search and found a reddit thread mentioning what happened to the pet, and oh boy, was that such a fun read.

But basically TNT can unconvert a pet as they please and also change the age of a pet with no issues. I'm sure TNT could even bring back some of the UCs that got auto-converted if they really wanted.
akiho, March 13, 2021 7:37 AM NST
I feel like TNT know that the only way to curb the UC problem is to give in and make them creatable in some way. It's the only way they can stop people stealing them off of accounts and causing a lot of the drama that goes with trading. They probably deal with more reversals and tickets about UC pets than anything else. I for one am glad that they're planning something for UC pets. It will help get rid of some of the toxic behaviour in the community.
herdy - JN Staff, March 13, 2021 7:52 AM NST
Realistically the majority of UCs trade for other UCs. The number of people that would ‘lose out’ would be a fraction of a fraction of the user base.
verdego, March 13, 2021 8:52 AM NST
Aw man, if I could undo the mistake of converting my lost desert aisha, that would be amazing... I'm not holding my breath though.
nobody, March 13, 2021 9:48 AM NST
AHAHQAHAHAHAH AHAHAHH AAAHHAHAHA!

Bring on the return of the UC!
...This is going to be wretched chaos, though.
nacbokmagi, March 13, 2021 10:26 AM NST
I see the UC Paintbrush coming.
stories2btold, March 13, 2021 10:27 AM NST
who cares if it'll annoy people who have been trading high for them or keeping old pets all this time?
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Because removing the last “difficult” aspect of the site will be the death of it. Why should someone’s work getting an UC be greatly diminished because other people want one?
nobody, March 13, 2021 10:53 AM NST
You know that meme?
Billionaire with all the cookies~
No cookies for the poor people~
You have to ''earn'' the cookies~
NO COOKIES FOR U
shad0wofadoubt, March 13, 2021 11:05 AM NST
I can only imagine how much revenue JS could have made with an NC Mall unconverter. People have literally been asking for this for a decade.

Good news to hear they *may* be finally taking a stand. I've had UC pets stolen from me before and while it was eventually returned it's such a hassle to go through support.
sweetadeline, March 13, 2021 11:44 AM NST
"Because removing the last “difficult” aspect of the site will be the death of it. Why should someone’s work getting an UC be greatly diminished because other people want one?"

lmao, how is it work? You're playing on a kid's site and it's your own fault if you spent so much time doing something so ridiculous - same with high-priced NC items. You're the ones who made uc and some items so high-priced, and it isn't up to them to cater to you.
debgil, March 13, 2021 11:47 AM NST
Dave?

Bad link to official neoboard site. Got the 404.
firenrocks, March 13, 2021 12:47 PM NST
Since they can manually unconvert pets, I thought that the dream pet giveaway would be a feasible option to reintroduce them. Perhaps have a special giveaway around Neopet's birthday. You could add 10-20 a year without flooding the trading market. And it would make so it actually possible for people to get one, especially with the name they want.
serpentshrine, March 13, 2021 1:15 PM NST
Yessssssss

Destroy the market. Do it! Pets are worthless on similar petsites to Neopets and that's how it should be.
problematicperiplum, March 13, 2021 1:42 PM NST
I wish the UC Trade a very fast and painful death.
inkpot, March 13, 2021 2:27 PM NST
I’m so glad I find the majority of UCs ugly. They’re always involved in some kind of mess.... it’s not worth the stress.

I mean first the whole mass reversal fiasco and now you have to worry about wether your UC was tampered with. Then of course there are users who get reported by others who ~suspect~ them of buying their UCs because they have loads of them and their accounts get iced just out of that suspicion. The drama never ends.

Just stick a UC converter in the mall. People will cry and complain regardless, and it’ll all wash over like the original conversion did as well as the mass deflation of krawk/draik pirate pets.

Then celebrate the UC mall converter with a purge. Have one big party. Make everyone shut up at once.
inkpot, March 13, 2021 2:42 PM NST
& if UCs in the mall really bugs you maybe try owning a pet you actually like instead of keeping a trophy to parade around.

It’s not high tier but I would still love and cherish my UC plushie buzz because /I/ actually like them and while they might then be easily obtained in the mall I’ll remember the journey I took for that particular buzz and all the time I’ve had with it. If your pets would become so easily trashable with the existence of legitimate, buyable, UC, I think that issue is with you entirely. Look at all the ppl who pounded their krawks when their value hit the gutter. Says a lot about those type of users.

......Go collect stamp avatars if you want to look like a hardcore neopetter lol
i_love_latin, March 13, 2021 2:45 PM NST
People will cry and complain regardless
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This is a very accurate description of the loudest portions of the Neo userbase. Also of humans in general.
biediep, March 13, 2021 3:52 PM NST
It was that easy for some cheaters to create UCs? I haven't really been active lately but this is HUGE o.o The fact that they're not that hard to create after all... The news that TNT themselves are considering bringing back UCs.. Even if we get 'Dyeworked' versions, I really don't care! Leaves the old UCs alone and desired still, and gives those who want them for their looks/nostalgia as opposed to status symbols, with a fair chance to get one! If they really do act on this, I'm 100% back in the game, lol! My favorite UC has been extinct for MANY years and I would absolutely love a chance to own one! I'm just blown away that some "exploit" just..allowed people to create UCs that easily.. Wow!
missdood, March 13, 2021 5:54 PM NST
I had a Tyrannian Uni. All these were converted. Tyrannian Peos were not. At one time they explained that the reason they converted some and not others is because if there was a big difference in how the converted pet would look & the old pet, they left it alone. Hmmmm... look at these two species and tell me that again. Am I bitter? Yeah, STILL a little. Are they planning to let all pets go back to unconverted or just the ones they kept unconverted originally? Tell me that and I will tell you if I would pay NC to unconvert a pet.
pikachu315111, March 13, 2021 6:37 PM NST
(In relation to giving 'old' UCs some form of identification:
"we did talk about doing something similar to what league does with their skins, so it's not out of the realm of possibility!"

After learning about the apparent black market there are on UCs & how old accounts were hacked to have their UCs stolen... no. Don't give old or new UCs an indicator because doesn't really solve the issue. "Oh, that's a NEW UC? I have an AUTHENTIC UC and if you want to trade for it you better be offering an authentic one as well *snob snort*". There is nothing special about a UC aside from their appearance. If it was a Neopet with high BD stats I would more understand the snobbish behavior because that's something you need to work for (putting in a lot of time and NP). But for those clamoring to have something identifying their "authentic" UCs from any new ones created, it feels like they just want something to feel superior having because it's something no one else can get. I feel if you have a UC it's not because you want to feel superior, it's because you like how the UC looks better than the converted Neopet. I just feel it goes against the point of having a Neopet, it's not the Neopet itself you're proud of having it's that it's a UC and in that regard any UC would have done.
cat, March 13, 2021 7:37 PM NST
It was never difficult to create UCs, the issue was more that TNT was worried about where it would stop. Like if you let existing UC faerie pets be created do you have to make the old version faerie pets that didn’t make the cut the first time available again? Do you have to make UC versions of post-conversion faerie pets that never had a UC form? That last one at least TNT has stated blatantly they didn’t want to do because of the added work and my impression was that was a major reason for saying “no” to unconverter requests.
cat, March 13, 2021 7:47 PM NST
@ pikachu315111 - UC pets take a lot more effort to get than good BD pets just because the trade market has gotten so competitive your pet has to have a great name (short, single word or character name, no numbers or underscore), great battledome stats and you must be willing to give it the paint job that the trader wants.

In the case of UCs like mine where I basically lucked into them by randomly having two pets that were left unconverted I agree that it was pure luck that got me them and I shouldn’t necessarily be rewarded for it. On the other hand if I’d spent years stalking names to snipe when accounts are purged and then training the resulting pets to the point where they’d be considered worth trading for a UC I might want to be able to show off that they were special.

Anyway if I were TNT I’d give the pet an exclusive trophy, it’s purely cosmetic and wouldn’t be any different from an account having trophies for games or events that can’t be played anymore.
stories2btold, March 13, 2021 9:43 PM NST
You're the ones who made uc and some items so high-priced, and it isn't up to them to cater to you.
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If you don’t understand how supply and demand works, just say that.
lucy_haha, March 14, 2021 12:28 AM NST
Anyone with a bit of technical knowledge can raise very rational questions about how is it THAT difficult to bring back UC in technical terms.
Of course when stated out even ifHerdy wasn't the OP they would be attacked and being called TNT apologist instead.

Now ADMIT IT AND APOLOGIZE, the old guys wrongly related NC stuff with languages and call it a regional problem. Last I check Neopets and Neocash is not chipset.
nara, March 14, 2021 5:04 AM NST
I would much rather the chance to paint and UC a pet that I made and named. I hope this can happen in the future.
ferinsy, March 14, 2021 5:51 AM NST
Put a star emoji after the pet name to identify pets created before conversion, problem solved! Then old UCs will have the star as well as old converted pets. And if the user paints or transforms the pet, they'll lose the star. Or just add the star to UC pets, but coding-wise it'd be way harder.
ferinsy, March 14, 2021 6:03 AM NST
@lucy_haha IKR??? It's def not difficult. It might be harder to do with the mess that the old code seems to be, but they're renewing the code, so I guess this is why they're talking about this topic? Hopefully when the new code is all around Neopia we'lll be able to see UCs back, I might even come back to the game.
etherealpath, March 14, 2021 7:00 AM NST
"Because removing the last “difficult” aspect of the site will be the death of it. Why should someone’s work getting an UC be greatly diminished because other people want one?"

talk about a gatekeeper/elitist point of view. if you haven't noticed, Neopets has been struggling for a long time now and UC pets is the LEAST of TNT's problems. it is simply ANOTHER one of their playerbase's demands that they are incapable of supplying due to... what? they have shown over and over that they are able to do it. the PLAYERS have shown that they can do it and TNT's answer as always has been 'lol freeze freeze' and then they'll probably let the subject die and do nothing about it as they always have. they suck at managing this site, they only care about new NC content, the only reason we are seeing a minimum effort coming from them now is because flashplayer literally died and they had to do something about it. trust me, if TNT started caring about what the players want and have wanted for years aka UCs, keyquest, etc., this game would be way better and more popular and not stuck in the past as it is.
problematicperiplum, March 14, 2021 11:19 AM NST
The UC community is incredibly toxic and I hope that making UCs much more readily available would 100% kill the toxic culture around them by effectively killing the "rarity". Way too much gatekeeping and entitlement plus the fact that it's overwhelming on the site. You literally cannot go anywhere without hearing someone talk about UCs.
contessa, March 14, 2021 12:33 PM NST
I really, really miss my Tyrannian Kougra from way back in the day before they converted all the pets. No way would I go through all that trading and nonsense to get one back though.

Sheesh. These people have too much time on their hands. Or maybe not enough brains in their heads to go to all those shady steps to get one. My opinion.
pikachu315111, March 14, 2021 1:19 PM NST
@cat:
I'm not doubting you need to know how to know the in-and-outs about Pet Trading to get a UC... but my point is the reward should be the UC itself and not the entitlement that you have a UC. The entitlement is just a bonus, if you worked hard/got lucky to get a UC it should because you wanted that Neopet.

Think about it this way: This is like owners of Neopets which are Lab Ray exclusive Colours (Robot, MSP, Ice, Sponge, Burlap, Mosaic) demanding that Neopets get a special mark doing it via the Lab Ray so people don't think they got it via another method like Dream Neopets Giveaway. This sounds like a silly demand... yet what is the difference between this and people demanding their "authentic" UCs getting a mark?

The UCs were an artifact, there were made out of TNT feeling some Neopets looked better noncoverted NOT because TNT wanted them to be special. I am glad that after much demand (and a controversy forcing their hand) TNT are finally thinking about making them obtainable in some form. However, whatever they decide to do, it shouldn't be consider anything more than a pseudo "Colour". No "authentic", no special mark, the Neopet is either UC or converted, and if you're upset no one can tell the difference between your "authentic" UC and a UC that was recently made/"painted" (which probably isn't going to be easy, disregarding the possibility it costing NC they may attach it as an old Account Age perk), I think you should question whether you actually like the Neopet you have.
pikachu315111, March 14, 2021 1:27 PM NST
@cat:
Responding to your post directly under mine, I think the UCs Species Colour combos that currently exist are going to be the be-all-end-all. This is already a complex issue and they don't want to risk opening old wounds by including any "new" UCs and have some users go "HEY! My Neopet is/was that Colour when it got converted, I should be given the option to make it a UC!". No, they have to draw a line in the sand in some places and this is likely one of them.
roxemary, March 15, 2021 6:53 AM NST
The appeal of the uc's is the art, changing the colour won't solve anything. Give the original uc's a trophy as acknowledgement for seasoned traders and move on..
voidaquariums, March 15, 2021 7:08 AM NST
i just hope that, if they make a UC creating item, they make it ridiculously high-effort but also entirely separate from NP/NC mechanics. like instead of paying [x]mil NP or paying [x] NC, you have to fill [x] requirements, and then the item is no-trade and so is the pet you use it on (kinda like lutaris)

that's honestly one of the few ways i can see it working but im also working on 4 hours of sleep so this might be utterly ridiculous when i read back on it later <<
anata_, March 15, 2021 7:10 AM NST
OMG I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW T_____T My ultimate Neopets dream is a UC Faerie Ixi, it was infuriating to see the converted version when it came out Not to mention what happened to royal pets...
hamzah_khan, March 15, 2021 8:53 AM NST
TNT should make a UC potion that costs 2500 NC, and you feed it to your pet and it transforms into a UC for 30 days. After those 30 days it expires and the pet turns back into converted. That way there is still an incentive to have a "real" UC as it wont unconvert, so PCers wont get as mad.
recklesse, March 15, 2021 8:53 AM NST
solutions to properly implementing them back into the game while keeping things fair for the existing community.
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They may find that balance impossible to reach. I'm sure that's one of the reasons things have been left unchanged until now.

Whatever they do is going to upset a section of the community. At this point that includes doing nothing at all.

TNT pretty much admitted years ago that they regretted not simply converting them all from day one. The longer they procrastinated the worse it got and now auto-conversion is not really on the table.

People say they want 'creatable' UCs for the art, but in the next breath they say they want a way to identify 'original' UCs from 'new' UCs, so clearly snob value also counts towards their popularity.

It's a massive dilemma, and always has been.
thecrazyoo, March 15, 2021 9:26 AM NST
I own some UC pets and yet I DEFINITELY want this. It might even bring me back to the site, as I haven't been interested in playing for a while now.
UC trading is ridiculously boring and stressful, it's a pain the way it is, I'd rather buy a lot of NC or whatever to finally get the UCs I like, than going through the pain of trading again. This (user-created) tier system going on is just ridiculous, and people act like jerks because of it.
thecrazyoo, March 15, 2021 9:32 AM NST
I don't see why it would be such a problem to upset a very small and elitist part of the community. Most players don't have UC pets and maybe want some, others (like me) have some UC pets and want more.
Sure, some people will be upset because they "worked a lot" (aka spent months on the forums trading) to get some "high-tier" UC, but they'll still have it, it's just their own selfishness talking. Why should the whole player base NOT have access to something just for an elite to feel entitled to have it?
PLEASE, TNT, I beg you to do this.
dave - JN Staff, March 15, 2021 10:21 AM NST
I think at the end of the day, I'd prefer TNT opens up access to UCs by either charging Neocash for the ability to unconvert or adding it as a Premium perk.

The black market going rate for some UCs can be hundreds of dollars, which is absolutely nuts. I'd prefer TNT kill that market and pocket the money for UCs themselves.

Another nice side effect in killing the UC black market, is for any current UC owners--the target on your back will be erased. You won't have to worry about your account being hacked to try and steal your $300 UC pet.
premium17, March 15, 2021 10:34 AM NST
The black market going rate for some UCs can be hundreds of dollars, which is absolutely nuts. I'd prefer TNT kill that market and pocket the money for UCs themselves.

^ This
nobody, March 15, 2021 10:42 AM NST
If we can only have one nc mall uc, I'm hoping we can get past ucs so I can have an unconverted striped xweetok, the best pet to ever exist. ;3
recklesse, March 15, 2021 12:08 PM NST
It’s highly unlikely that versions of pets that were auto-converted (or never activated in a pre-converted form) will be included.
serpentshrine, March 15, 2021 1:16 PM NST
People asking for an identifier for old UCs: no. No no no.

I have UCs. It's so stressful. I obsessively change my password.i love them too much to give them up though. Like Dave said totally destroying the demand will erase the target off my account. I want that so so bad.
parody_ham, March 15, 2021 6:27 PM NST
The black market going rate for some UCs can be hundreds of dollars, which is absolutely nuts. I'd prefer TNT kill that market and pocket the money for UCs themselves.
^ I agree completely.
Helps keep the site open, allows for them to pay more staff/pay the staff more, and removes a target from the accounts of folks with UCs who might otherwise be at high-risk of being hacked.

Also, poor Gutterfoot. I saw that Discord post--she was up past midnight CA time dealing with this... on a Saturday. Ouch.
cheetah, March 16, 2021 3:41 AM NST
"Give the original uc's a trophy as acknowledgement for seasoned traders and move on.."
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Not everyone who owns an UC traded for it, though...

"I'd prefer TNT kill that market and pocket the money for UCs themselves.
Another nice side effect in killing the UC black market, is for any current UC owners--the target on your back will be erased."
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Exactly this. Once they rip the band-aid off, it will never need to come up or be a legitimate issue again. People got over Draiks "losing value," didn't they?
sinavarice, March 16, 2021 5:34 AM NST
Every day I regret not saving my Grey Wocky.
chaosshadow, March 16, 2021 6:38 AM NST
"Because removing the last “difficult” aspect of the site will be the death of it."

This was never supposed to be a 'difficult' part of the site, though. TNT destroyed a lot of people's preferred pets when they did the mass conversions-- entire paintbrushes became unified and worthless. Faerie isn't a good brush because it makes pets pastel colors and gives them wings, its because it always imparted a whimsical pose that you couldn't get with any other brush. A bunch of Darigan pets suffered from the same, a bunch of Halloween pets, Maraquan...

And frankly the default poses and lack of animation between them (just making different isolated expressions) really hurt the look of a lot of pets in general.

I'm sure a lot of people don't want UC pets for the bragging rights. I gave up my dream of getting a Darigan Eyrie because the conversion made them so ugly. Some high status collectors might be upset, but they were relying on an artificial market to begin with. I just want my Eyrie back.
yesican, March 16, 2021 7:26 AM NST
I have 7 UCs, i traded for all of them by working SOOOOO hard, bumping endlessly. It was dreadful, grueling, and took forever, lots of drama and craziness. Would I care if they released UCs in the mall or something. Absolutely not, cause there are still so many UCs I want lol.
thecrazyoo, March 16, 2021 7:45 AM NST
@yesican Right? RIGHT??? Why would we be mad if they would make it easier for us UC lovers to get MORE UCs lol
eggsalad, March 16, 2021 8:10 AM NST
Interesting. Childhood me wanted a royalboy grarrl then I had no desire to have one after the conversion.
alli_draggy, March 16, 2021 12:34 PM NST
I'd be down for this. Part of why I like UCs is because of the story attached to trading up/project pages, but there are plenty of UCs that I love aesthetically and know I'd never be able to trade up to *cough* UC Plushie Hissi *cough* who I'd just love for the art. I don't think being able to generate new UCs would make pre-existing ones lose any value to me, since their story is still there.
nefarity, March 17, 2021 1:03 AM NST
"palette swapped character skins"

They should give the OG UC pets a trophy or something. My ultimate dream pet is a UC Darigan Ixi, but I don't know if I'd like one if they were a different colour. And that wouldn't work for Grey pets, because that's half the point of them.
recklesse, March 17, 2021 3:01 AM NST
I know nothing about league of legends, but I don't think they're talking about changing the colours here.

I'm guessing they're thinking of some kind of skin or overlay that changes a converted image to the UC version. So they're saying you won't be able to paint a blue pet one of the converted colours, but you could change a grey Wocky to the UC form.

No idea if they're intending those 'skins' to be account-locked, but I can see it being a consideration.
combustibles, March 17, 2021 5:50 AM NST
UCs becoming available again or not, the people who steal UCs are also the ones that benefit from UC trading.

I say good riddance to the badly/ugly named UCs and I welcome a new way to get UCs.

Neopets is dying regardless of what JS do or intend to do, because in the end they're aiming for a kids' market when the userbase are mostly nostalgic adults.

Honestly I haven't been on Neo since the death of Flash/the introduction of the "mobile" layout. I don't know if there are others like me who have been avoiding/forgetting about Neo, but this talk of UCs have given me new interest in the site, however small the hope for it happening might be.
butterflyvj, March 17, 2021 11:17 AM NST
"The black market going rate for some UCs can be hundreds of dollars, which is absolutely nuts. I'd prefer TNT kill that market and pocket the money for UCs themselves."
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Agreed. I'd prefer it actually going to the site if it means UCs are indeed capable of coming back.

"People asking for an identifier for old UCs: no. No no no."
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I'm not sure I understand the whole "identifier" talk and the ideas of trophies and such. I think one user earlier in the discussion described it best. There's always going to be "well, my pet is an "AUTHENTIC" UC and you have a "NEW" UC." Whether trophies are implemented to indicate this or not isn't really the problem; the problem is that there will always be the "elitist" class mindset on the site.
ducky - JN Staff, March 18, 2021 12:10 PM NST
"Because removing the last “difficult” aspect of the site will be the death of it."

Majority don't do UC trading. Not having events, not having games is going to death of it.

Also. It is fully created by users and not site itself, just like NC trading. IT really doesnt' work that some players built this imaginary game inside website and then demand it's actually part of the site. Nope. There is absolutley no reason to give trophies or medals and slap "authentic uc" stamps on pets. If UC trading was game TNT created, then it would be different story.

The worst decision that Viacom staff did was to leave ANY UCs.
I, too, rather see site making money of UCs than blackmarket hackers.

I have never understood the UC trading tbh. Okay fine, there are traders who actually have a dream pet. Then there are people who want pet that others desire. That I find odd, you see it with converteds too "I zapped this, should I keep it?" Umm well do you like it?

I mean, Draiks and Krawks were OOOH AAHHH OOH I HAZ KRAWK, I HAZ DRAIK. Where drainks somewhat are still popular because their customisation usually looks good, krawks. No one cares for krawks anymore. No one is looking for a krawk, you have hard time rehoming krawk.

Same with ice boris. First there was ANGER when Premium Perk made Ice Boris available. But truth is.... no one really cared for them except the reason that they were special.

I know I am odd that I want pets that I actually.. like. I like their colours. I don't care what some random neoboarder or PC things my choice of species/colour (my selection of gnorbus, kaus, chombies, tonu, moehogs and vanda doesn't cause oohs and aahs XD )
nicole24, March 18, 2021 2:10 PM NST
I'm really against people using pets as status symbol. I paid 11 mil for my first two draiks and was lucky to get a Krawk via an UFA process (I love krawks tho ). I loved it when Krawks and Draiks became less expensive, my other krawks and draiks barely costs me 1 mil (depends on the colour), so I was beyond happy for that!

My only UC Dreamy has been (and still is) an UC Tyrannian Krawk for so long now and I am thrilled to be able to create one this year, so I really hope I can! I would hate it if they make it an expensive neopoint item like an UC PB which you will likely only be able to afford when you hit a jackpot or something.. So I am on the NC or premium team on that one.. I don't mind spending NC on, as long as the pet stays UC forever. It should not be temporary.

I've been lurking the PC and I don't see many people against it so that's a good thing. I think most would be happy that they can create UCs themselves, maybe one with a better name (I see many people yeeting UCs at RN & RW's now).

We'll see how TNT will do it, I hope it will be good.
missdood, March 18, 2021 2:36 PM NST
And suddenly my ucs can not be customized. It worked when I changed them to winter themes. Now they still show as winter/Xmas even though the customise window says my spring looks were saved. Sigh...
recklesse, March 18, 2021 11:35 PM NST
The worst decision that Viacom staff did was to leave ANY UCs.
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Absolutely. It was a complete lottery as to whether a player's favourite colour/species was given the option or not. The only 'fair' thing to do would have been to convert them all at the start, or soon thereafter. But TNT procrastinated until it was too late to fix. They even admitted to the whole UC thing being their 'bane' in an editorial.

It's worrying (though hardly surprising) that TNT isn't actively trying to manage people's expectations about this.

I really don't see them extending 'creatable' UC's beyond the species/colour combos that currently exist. Yet, people are all over the boards with hopes that various pre-conversion looks will be made available (including a few of the ones that weren't even released, or designed).

I still don't understand how players were willing to give so much cash to CRIMINALS to get hold of those pets. I guess not enough of them were caught out to deter people.

@missdood, that's a known issue with UC pets in beta. There's a discussion topic on the beta neoboard that's been going since January. http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/topic.phtml?topic=160946447 (link).
dave - JN Staff, March 19, 2021 1:12 PM NST
I don't blame old TNT too much for the UC situation. They made that decision back in 2007 and *checks notes* that was 14(!) years ago. At a time when Neopets was seeing such drastic change (a completely new layout and complete revamps for all species), it doesn't seem terrible to want to reduce some of the extreme feelings about changing your pets.

I'd instead more blame them (and current JS TNT) for not doing anything with them while the black market grew. And it finally seems like sooner than later, we won't need to blame JS for any lack of action!
thecrazyoo, March 19, 2021 3:49 PM NST
I wonder how long will it be before they actually do something about UCs though. TNT has a bad habit of taking years to launch new features after announcing that it will happen "soon"...
ufo, March 19, 2021 10:41 PM NST
Re: the comparison to League skins - no, they're not talking about the chroma system. Sometimes, when a time-limited skin is released, people who get it in the 'first wave' get a banner around their loading screen splash art. Fairly non-intrusive. People who buy it afterward do not get the banner.
mzlish, March 21, 2021 1:53 PM NST
It's about time.

I am ALL FOR destroying the Neopets trading market, the black market and any desire to hack into someone else's account(even though it can happen for other reasons).
Back when people wanted Krawks/Draiks was cool because it was possible. Now it's impossible to the point cheating is encouraged and that's sad.

Good news is, that it WILL bring back those who left because of the conversion. But with that, TNT really needs to get on it with the HTML5 conversion. They shouldn't even think about bringing back UCs when you can't even customize a pet or even navigate the site. And speaking of pets... I hope with the UC conversion, we get buy able pet slots, cause I want a UC Plushie Kougra and maybe a UC Grey..

Cheers!
nicobutts, March 22, 2021 4:58 PM NST
I’m sure it’s already been posted here but it’s not referring to chromas on league. It’s referring to certain borders and/or name changes that reflect a skin that was previously limited is of that time. So even if they release the skin later on, it won’t have the special border or the original skin name. It’s something slight but it’s what collector’s/elitists want. They want people to know they’re special and it does the trick.
eliz1bef, March 23, 2021 3:01 PM NST
I'm going to need that 6th account for my UCs.
araeveya, March 29, 2021 5:09 PM NST
Just a thought but maybe they're referring to this ascept of LoL skins

From the wiki:
Some skins are released as variants of other skins. The first two variants released——were created in order to re-release previously limited edition skins in a way that preserved the prestige status of the original.

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